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    • The property was our family home.  A fixed low rate btl/ development loan was given (last century!). It was derelict. Did it up/ was rented out for a while.  Then moved in/out over the years (mostly around school)  It was a mix of rental and family home. The ad-hoc rents covered the loan amply.  Nowadays  banks don't allow such a mix.  (I have written this before.) Problems started when the lease was extended and needed to re-mortgage to cover the expense.  Wanted another btl.  Got a tenant in situ. Was located elsewhere (work). A broker found a btl lender, they reneged.  Broker didn't find another btl loan.  The tenant was paying enough to cover the proposed annual btl mortgage in 4 months. The broker gave up trying to find another.  I ended up on a bridge and this disastrous path.  (I have raised previous issues about the broker) Not sure what you mean by 'split'.  The property was always leasehold with a separate freeholder  The freeholder eventually sold the fh to another entity by private agreement (the trust) but it's always been separate.  That's quite normal.  One can't merge titles - unless lease runs out/ is forfeited and new one is not created/ granted.
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    • I understand what you mean. But consider that part of the problem, and the frustration of those trying to help, is the way that questions are asked without context and without straight facts. A lot of effort was wasted discussing as a consumer issue before it was mentioned that the property was BTL. I don't think we have your history with this property. Were you the freehold owner prior to this split? Did you buy the leasehold of one half? From a family member? How was that funded (earlier loan?). How long ago was it split? Have either of the leasehold halves changed hands since? I'm wondering if the split and the leashold/freehold arrangements were set up in a way that was OK when everyone was everyone was connected. But a way that makes the leasehold virtually unsaleable to an unrelated party.
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Need help with debts to Original Creditors i can now longer pay


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Currently have large amount of debt,

have spoken a debt management company, as the debt us unsustainable and I can't afford the interest payments on it .

Can't get through to independent debt advice companies at the moment ? 

Looks like I will be facing an IVA or bankruptcy

Last ditch attempt before I go down the above routes, I am wondering what my chances are of getting money back , debts reduce, or  interest paid back on the basis of unaffordable lending. 

My main credit card debt is £21k, this account was started with a  £12k credit limit back in 2003 and there was a steady increase since then, up to present amount.

My income has always been quite low, 

I believe there is an argument to challenge them on the basis that they haven't done their due diligence before making their lending decisions

. I went on from 2008 to take out further credit cards and they kept increasing my limit.

Showing I was struggling to sustain the debts. 

I think I may have a case, but I am wondering about the time limits on my claims.

From browsing the internet I am aware that the legislation I am looking to enact, didn't come into force until 2008 ?

will I be able to claim from 2008 onwards ? 

For the last 10 years or so I have just about  managed to make the minimum payments to pay the interest off, I have made no dent in the credit amount and its just increased. 

Thanks in advance for advice. 

 

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doubt it sorry

 

stop use ruddy debt management companies!!

 

a dmp is easy do it yourself 

 

is all your debt still with the original creditors or have some been sold to debt buyers/dca's?

 

why dont you list your debts please 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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No not been sold.

I have spoken to them all and I am currently in a 30 day grace period. 

It's with 4 separate cc companies. 

I haven't used a debt management company yet, but they are the only people I have managed to speak with.

Can't seem to get independent debt advice  and I am self employed, cannot use step change or any other others.

Only business debt line - I have been trying for days to get through to, but can't.

Even though its not business debt it personal debt. 

The debt management company I spoke to suggested and IVA, which I understand they are financially motivated to do. 

I really could do with independent advice to talk through my options and answer a few questions, but can't seem to obtain it at the moment. 

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i would do:

 

please list yours debts..

 

original creditor

what type of credit

when taken out

how much outstanding.

 

its consumer credit debt, that is not a crime in this country STOP PANICKING.

 

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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  • dx100uk changed the title to Need help with debts to Original Creditors i can now longer pay

MBNA - opened July 2003, unsecured CC debt approx  £21,000

Barclays, opened 2008, unsecured CC debt, approx £7,000

Cap 1, opened 2008, unsecure cc debt, approx £6,000

Marbles opened Nov 2021, unsecured CC debt, approx £4,000 

Upto December 22 -   Feb 2023, I have not missed 1 payment on any of these accounts, but for the last 10 years I have pretty much maintained the debts by making minimum payments. 

Its only when MBNA decided to upped their interest late last year to £350 per month, I spoke to them and said I cannot  afford to pay etc... and I am now considering my options. 

I am starting  to think I am better off with bankruptcy, its just I am self employed and I need a decent bank account to operate my business,

I just don't think I can face 5 years living on a basic income to pay off the debts in an IVA that was offered as a solution. 

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no 

do not ever go BK/IVA/ etc etc for consumer credit debts.

 

i suggest you read a good few 10's of threads here in the forum i've moved your thread too-  debt self help.

 

debt is not a crime

get the breathing space done

 

then investigate pro rata payments. as threads here.

stay off the phone

everything now in writing ONLY.

 

if your situation is not going to improve within breathing space/ pro rata situations then i'd honestly stop all payments NOW

await every one of the original creditors to default your debt, then move fwd with pro rata.

the quicker you get default notices issued, the quicker the debt will be removed from your file, paid or not paying or not at the DN's 6th B'day.

 

dx

 

 

 

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Thank you. 

If I am understanding this correctly - 

If I allow the debts to go to default, I will then offer a payment plan that will be split proportionally amongst my debtors and on the 6th birthday of the debts anything still outstanding will be written off ? 

 

I don't think realistically be able to pay the debts off within a reasonable time frame, like you say the sooner it goes to default the better, so there is little point me requesting 60 days of breathing space. 

 
I will try to get further advice  and will check out the rest of this forum, but do I need a debt charity to work out the pro rata payments, or can I work out myself what disposable income I have  and draft an offer myself? 

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no the debts are not written of, when a registered default reaches it's 6th b'day, the whole account is removed from your credit file simply they can never return. debt still exists.

 

please be clear there is a difference between a D in the calendar section (that only you can see) and a Default Notice under section 87/8 of the consumer credit act.

 

await that DN letter from each creditor and check it gets registered on your credit file before your enter into a pro rata agreement.

 

you need to spend some time READING like threads here

get upto speed.

 

please dont bother going elsewhere you DONT NEED IT and all these people do is make you pay and enter into debt management plans YOU DO NOT NEED TO DO THIS.

 

once you read threads HERE all will become obvious.

all the docs are already here 

 

Debt management and Debt self-help - Consumer Action Group

 

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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just to update all I have had since posting is lots of letters and phonencalls (ignored)  asking me to pay from my different creditors.

Barclays sent me a default notice a few weeks back, but this is just for the payments and interest missed. I have attached a copy of the letter.

Marbles have written to inform me that they have closed my account. 

Just wondering if creditors are perhaps hesitant to issue default notices because it will mean the debt disappears after 6 years ? 

 

Barclays.pdf

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so you've not been reading up then?

they cant do anything else bar issue a dn.

all pages and leave in dates times figures please

or else how can we check its compliant.......

 

dx

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Yes I have been looking at the forums and get the gist, but its is still quite and overwhelming amount of information to take in.  

Barclays letters attached, with date and back. 

The only other thing that came with this was a generic FCA letter outlining why I have been sent a default notice. 

 

 

They just seem to be defaulting me on the interest and payments missed since I stopped paying, not the full credit balance. 

2023-05-18 BC DN.pdf

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doesnt matter its still a DN. which will remove the whole A/C in 6yrs.

dx

 

 

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Took my eye off the ball with this, due to personal stuff going on and I have now  received 2 claims (Civil National Business Centre) forms from PRA Group in last few days. 

I have read up on completed the questionnaire(s)  linked below. Redacted copy of one claim, struggling to upload the other one, but its the same. Claim info and figures and info  are on both questionnaires anyway. 

CAG

I have bought 2 x £1.00 postal orders and drafted a letter requesting copy of CCA, is there anything else I need to do  based on the information I am giving. 

Thanks 

 

 

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please start a new thread for each claimform in financial legal issues forum.

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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