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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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Yes of course DX - images attached in the PDF that was attached to their email. 

Will I be able to find out exactly which 2 cameras they captured the number plate with?  If the car was actually parked when they were taken, then this point is irrelevant, but if they were taken on entry/exit then I have an interesting observation.

As far as I remember, and as can be seen on Google Maps, there is a little used road at the rear of the retail park that leads out and away to join the main road.   

Surely they wouldn't be arrogant enough to think they can get away with an accusation of parking, when you could have just driven up through the park, and returned the same way shortly afterwards? 

 I'm going to check this road tomorrow, but as I say, if the camera is pointing at the parking space then it's irrelevant. 

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  • dx100uk changed the title to UKCP ANPR PCN - Junction Street Retail park. leeds

can you put up a much better scan of just the in/out pictures please from the PCN/NTK.

cant find the ANPR camera s anywhere.

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

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If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Hi DX -

they actually included both photos with the email, but I had to convert them from PDF and remove the number plate, then back to PDF again. 

 Still terrible quality, but here you go...

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Hi all,  returned from holiday to find a Claim Form waiting for me....

I've read (and continue to) other similar threads, so I think I know what I'm doing - do you want me to post the claim form here or is there no point?

Cheers

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Which Court have you received the claim from ? MCOL Northampton N1

Name of the Claimant :     UK PARKING CONTROL LIMITED

Claimants Solicitors:   DCB LEGAL LTD

Date of issue – 09 AUG 2023

Date for AOS - 27TH AUGUST 2023

Date to submit Defence - FRIDAY 8TH SEPTEMBER

What is the claim for  

1. The defendant (D) is indebted to the claimant (C) for a Parking Charge(s) issued to vehicle XXXX XXX at Junction Street Retail Park, Junction Street, Leeds, LS10 1ET.

2. The PCN details are 06/01/22, xxxxxxxxxxxxx

3. The PCN(s) was issued on private land owned or managed by C.  The vehicle was parked in breach of the Terms on C's signs (the Contract), thus incurring the PCN(s)The driver agreed to pay within 28 days but did not. D is liable as the driver or keeper.  Despite requests, the PCN(s) is outstanding.  The contract entitles C to damages.  

AND THE CLAIMANT CLAIMS: 1. £170 being the total of the PCN(s) and damages. 2. Interest at the rate of 8% per annum pursuant to s.69 of the County Courts Act 1984 from the date hereof at a daily rate of £0.02 until judgement or sooner payment. 3. Costs and court fees.

What is the value of the claim?

Amount Claimed  £177.40

court fees £35.00

legal rep fees £50.00

Total Amount £262.40

Have you moved since the issuance of the PCN? NO

Did you receive a letter of Claim With A reply Pack wanting I&E etc about 1mth before the claimform?  YES - 14th June 2023.  I sent a snotty letter (email).  Their Letter didn't include an I&E, it referred me to their website to complete it there. 

Cheers

Just preparing the letter to solicitors. 

Given there is a choice of several parking signs in their carpark, should I request images of the signs they are referring to (the contract), or should I keep that to myself for now? They did include images of SOME of the signs (the ones with the small print terms) in their reply to my snotty letter so am I just being pedantic? 

Also, am I able to ask them for the location of the ANPR camera(s) that captured the number plate on entry/exit? 

So far all I have requested is: 

1. The contract between UK Parking Control Limited and the landowner that assigns the right to enter into contracts with the public and make claims in their own name.

 2. Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and Country Planning Act 2007

 3. Copies of the notice to driver, notice to keeper and any other correspondence from UK Parking Control Limited & DCB Legal Ltd to the defendant that they intend to rely upon in court.

Not sure whether to just keep it very simple for now...

In the meantime I'm going down there this afternoon to take photo's of ALL the signs, and to investigate the back road out of the the retail park.  

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  • dx100uk changed the title to UKCP/CGTT (ZZPS)/QDR ANPR PCN PAPLOC Now Claimform - Junction Street Retail park. leeds

pop up on the MCOL website detailed on the claimform

.register as an individual on the Gov't Gateway Site
Go to HMRC's login page.

Click the GREEN sign in button.
Click “Create sign in details”
Enter your email address where asked.
You will now be emailed a confirmation code. ...

You will now be issued with a User ID for your government gateway account.
 note down your details inc the long gateway number given, you might need it later.
then log in to the MCOL Website

.select respond to a claim and select the start AOS box.

.then using the details required from the claimform

defend all

leave jurisdiction unticked.

click thru to the end

confirm and exit MCOL.

.get a CPR 31:14 request running to the solicitors

https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?486334-CPR-31.14-Request-to-use-on-receipt-of-a-PPC-(-Private-Land-Parking-Court-Claim

type your name ONLY

no need to sign anything

.you DO NOT await the return of paperwork.

you MUST file a defence regardless by day 33 from the date on the claimform.

………….
just send the CRP as is .dont go giving things away.

 

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NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

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Thanks DX, yes I've done the MCOL as "defend all", so just got the CPR request to send off. 

Just been down to the carpark and I THINK I can see which camera is likely to have been used, and that particular carpark is one way in/out, so I won't pursue the "I was only passing through" avenue of defence!

Will send it with just the 3 points as per post #57. 

Many thanks  

BL

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Reply to CPR letter received by email from solicitors as follows.  Thoughts please gang 🙏

Dear BRADFORDLAD,

We write in response to your recent correspondence dated 14th August 2023.

For clarity, the Landowner agreement is a contract between the Landowner and our Client which permits our Client to operate the parking scheme on the land on behalf of the Landowner. Thus, our Client is authorised to issue Parking Charge Notices to any motorists that have breached the terms and conditions of parking. Planning permission is therefore not required for the signage on site.

In relation to your request for a copy of the Landowner agreement, this bares no relevance on the contract between yourself and our Client. Furthermore, you are a third party, hence privity of contract applies, and a copy will not be provided at this stage.

We respectfully draw your attention to our previous correspondence dated 4th July 2023 which includes the copies of the Notices to Keeper as requested.

You have until 28th August to pay the outstanding balance of £262.40.    

Failure to do so will result in a County Court Judgment (CCJ) being issued against you in default without further notice. 

This can be done via bank transfer to our designated client account: - 

• Account Name: DCB Legal Ltd Client Account 

• Sort Code: 20-24-09 

• Account Number: 60964441 

You must quote the correct case reference xxxxxxxxxxxx when making payment. If you do not, we may be unable to correctly allocate the payment. If further action is taken by us as a result of an incorrect reference being quoted, you will be liable for any further fees or costs incurred. 

Alternatively, you can contact DCB Legal Ltd on 0203 434 0437 to make payment over the telephone or online at https://dcblegal.co.uk/response/pay-online/  

Kind Regards, 

 XXXXXXX

DCB Legal Ltd  

Tel: 0203 434 0433 | DX 23457 Runcorn 

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Standard bilge from them, except ...

... they've admitted there is no planning permission.  They don't normally do this.  It's nonsense that planning permission is "not required" .  You can use this against them later.

The imbeciles also reckon you will get a CCJ by default if you don't pay.  Eh?  There is the alternative that you defend the case.  Don't forget to do so in early September.

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I thought it odd too FTMDave. 

Surely plan ING permission has nothing to do with whether there is a landowner agreement? 

 

Also, how does their 'deadline' of 28th August work, considering I have already acknowledged their claim and confirmed I intend to defend all??

Anything I need to do for now (other than more reading!)

 

Thanks

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ignore them.

you defence filing date is correct in that sticky you filled out

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1 hour ago, bradfordlad said:

You have until 28th August to pay the outstanding balance of £262.40.    

Failure to do so will result in a County Court Judgment (CCJ) being issued against you in default without further notice.

This intimidatory statement totally flies in the face of the government code of practice and should certainly be highlighted in any future WS.

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You really have to wonder if DCBL have any legal knowledge at all about  the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012.

The definition of a relevant contract in the Act is

relevant contract” means a contract (including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land) between the driver and a person who is(a)

the owner or occupier of the land; or(b)

authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land;

So under PoFA the contract is between the land owner and the driver [so not the keeper] although the land owner can delegate their wishes to the lesser human beings that are UKPC.

I fail to see why that means that UKPC do not require planning permission for their signs.

The relevance of the land owner contract is that if there is no land owner contract then UKPC have no authority to impose their own contract on the driver.  [By the way DCBL, BEARS relevance not bares relevance. Dummies.]

And lack of planning permission for signs and ANPR cameras is illegal as you can see if you read this article

 

favicon-16x16-e38ba65468d18740d207daf98636545a4131fa37a2d3a6bc251c055f2d1d07f2.png Confused advertisement consent order - a Freedom of Information request to Barrow in Furness Borough Council - WhatDoTheyKnow

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Afternoon all, 

Just been reading a few threads to get my knowledge up to speed. Defence has to be filed by 8th Sept. 

Under the CPR request, I asked for: 

1. The contract between UK Parking Control Limited and the landowner that assigns the right to enter into contracts with the public and make claims in their own name.

 2. Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and Country Planning Act 2007

 3. Copies of the notice to driver, notice to keeper and any other correspondence from UK Parking Control Limited & DCB Legal Ltd to the defendant that they intend to rely upon in court.

Their response as above was: 

1. "You can't have the contract" - NO CONTRACT PROVIDED

2. "No planning permission is needed" with some completely irrelevant reason!

3. Copies of the NTK and photos taken of the reg plate. 

SO.....to my defence...

I have the standard template, but would just like a bit of guidance on the individual points please. 

1. Regarding the PCN not being POFA Compliant - I'm not clear why it isn't compliant. I get the quote in @lookinforinfo post #64 above, in that the contract is between the landowner and the driver, but what is missing from their PCN that allows them to chase the Keeper?  Sorry if I've missed it - I have read SO many threads recently my head is getting a bit fried! 
 

2. Their claim that planning permission isn't needed for signage. I think we all know this means it doesn't exist, but as with any claim, guesswork means nothing in court.  At what point do I put them to proof that planning has been granted? 

3. They won't provide the contract between UKPC and the landowner, so how do we get them to prove that this contract gives UKPC authority to issue PCN's?  Or do we even do that?

I think I'm getting to the stage where I can't see the wood for the trees - any advice appreciated guys, thank you. 

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Where did you get that from?

Standard defence as dx said is further down the sticky you filled out.

Q2) How should I defend?

 

Make sure everything applies to your own case and post it up here before you submit...

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Sorry @Nicky Boy  That's not my defence!    I'm just trying to get my head around a few things, so I can put the defence together in a meaningful way.  Or am I confusing that with the Witness Statement?!

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This is my draft defence so far...

 

The Defendant contends that the particulars of claim are vague and generic in nature which fails to comply with CPR 16.4.  The Defendant accordingly sets out its case below and relies on CPR r 16.5 (3) in relation to any particular allegation to which a specific response has not been made.

 

1.  It is admitted that the Defendant is the recorded keeper of CAR REG NUMBER HERE.  The Claimant is not in a position to state if the Defendant was the driver at the time.

 

 2.  As held by the Upper Tax Tribunal in Vehicle Control Services Limited v HMRC [2012] UKUT 129 (TCC), any contract requires offer and acceptance.  The Claimant was simply contracted by the landowner to provide car-park management services and is not capable of entering into a contract with the Defendant on its own account, as the car park is owned by and the terms of entry set by the landowner. Accordingly, it is denied that the Claimant has authority to bring this claim. 

 

3.  It is denied that the Defendant entered into a contract with the Claimant. Further, it is denied that the Claimants signage is capable of creating a legally binding contract.

  

4.  In any case it is denied that the Defendant broke the terms of a contract with the Claimant.

 

5.  The Particulars of Claim is denied in its entirety.  It is denied that the Claimant is entitled to the recovery claimed or any recovery at all.

 

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I know your son was driving.  Who is being sued here?  Sorry if it's been mentioned in the thread but I've forgotten!

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18 minutes ago, FTMDave said:

I know your son was driving.  Who is being sued here?  Sorry if it's been mentioned in the thread but I've forgotten!

Me as the registered keeper.  Definitely not admitted anything on that score :-)

 

17 minutes ago, Nicky Boy said:

Also, when is your defence due date?

Don't file too early...

8th September I think! Does the AOS extend the deadline date?

Well 6 years on and most of the defaults have disappeared, thank you CAG for a

ll your help

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35 minutes ago, Nicky Boy said:

Confused.Com!

yes, looks like you were talking about your Witness Statement (WS).

Ah ok - so removing the bits is red keeps it vague at this stage, then I hit them with the facts on the Witness Statement?

Well 6 years on and most of the defaults have disappeared, thank you CAG for a

ll your help

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