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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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Just a quick one,

 

I'm about to submit a claim for the full amount of my items value.

 

My dilemma is that for some reason(probably fat finger syndrome) I only stated the item was worth £100 when in fact it was worth £180. It was sold on ebay so I have proof of the items real value.

 

my question is

do I have grounds to pursue the real value or have to settle with the incorrect value I stated when filling out the postage details?

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@Shezza999Please give us the full story about this so that people here can give best advice.

 

I've edited your thread title and changed "stolen" to "lost". If you have actual evidence that it has been stolen I can change it back, otherwise best not to accuse Evri of theft (a deliberate criminal offence) when it's just been lost.

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hit evri and get reading up.

 

your 1st task is a letter of claim after tell us the full story with dates and times upon each stage.

 

dx

 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

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Thank for you quick responses.

These are the version of events and where I'm at now

 

20th November, sold ps4 and games on ebay for £180

 

21st November, took said item to my parcel shop. Paid for next day delivery and as already stated mistakenly valued the item at £100.

 

22nd November, went back to the parcel shop because the item was not showing the parcel had been collected from said parcel shop. Manager assured me that everything had been collected and had left the shop. Even advised me to get the police involved to come and look at their CCTV.

 

Since then there has been no updates on the tracking. Tracking still showing to this day that the parcel is still at the shop waiting to be collected. This is why I suspect the parcel has been stolen as there is no evidence that the parcel reached the depot.

 

In the mean time I was able to send a message via their Web chat explaining the situation. I received a reply from them stating that they had done an extensive search but could track down the item so classed it as lost and sent me a claim form.

 

This is where I'm at now.

 

I haven't filled in the claim for yet because I'm unsure of the value to claim for. Is it the value I put in when completing the postage details or do I pursue that actual value I received through the sale on ebay. 

 

Unfortunately I only paid the basic insurance for value up to £20 but i know from reading up on posts on this website that it means nothing and they are legally obliged to pay full refunds in cases like mine.

 

I am sorry to have used the word stolen but as the package has not scanned in anywhere then that would lead me to suggest that that is sufficient enough evidence to claim that it has been stolen, and hope that the fact that there is no evidence of the parcel reaching the depot will provide a swift conclusion to the matter and a full refund will be issued without taking the matter any further.

 

I apologise for my grammar and lack of punctuation but I'd be the first to admit I'm not the sharpest tool in the box.

 

So in conclusion,

all I really need to ask is what amount I should pursue.

 

I have spent many hours reading similar situations on this site so I should be OK if further action needs to be taken. I plan on using other members L.o.c's etc as templates and just changing the parts I need to.

 

I hope this has made some kind of sense and look forward to your advice.

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I'm afraid that you are probably going to have to settle for the declared value.

If you have done the reading on this sub- forum then you will see that this question has come up several times and I've answered it on the basis that when you contract with somebody you create an expectation. You created expectations with EVRi that they would be responsible for a parcel worth £100 and I doubt whether a court would uphold a greater value.

You can certainly try for the entire sum and see how it goes. I'm not sure what the claim fees are that it may well be that they are the same whether your claim of £100 or £180, in which case there really is nothing to lose.

Then if it goes to mediation as it probably will, EVRi can raise the issue of the value and you can then settle back for £100 and at least EVRi will think that they have gained something and saved some Face.

I suggest that you send an initial complaint to them and explained that they have had your parcel worth £180 and they have lost it and you want reimbursement.

See what they say – but don't give them too long. Maximum 10 days, I would say although don't put any deadlines in this letter.

Of course they will knock you back but it will be interesting to see if they raise the issue of the valuation. After that send a letter of claim.

Post a draft of the letter of claim here before you send it.

None of this is a bluff. You will have to issue a claim so don't start any of the process unless you fully intend to go ahead on the very day that your letter of claim deadline expires – day 15

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Thanks for your reply Bankfodder.I have indeed read the posts where you have addressed the subject of which value to pursue but none have the same circumstances as my case.All the posts I've read the members items have been lost in the 'network'.Theirs had actually been scanned at some point so Evri had proof that their parcel was indeed lost through the process of delivery.I see mine as a completely different situation.Due to there being absolutely no evidence that my item ever reached the depot would heavily support that the item was stolen.Most likely by the collections person who collected it from the parcel shop.Because of these facts it got me thinking I might have a case to pursue the correct value of the item.That said,I thank you for your advice and will follow it.

 

Thanks for your reply Bankfodder.

 

I have indeed read the posts where you have addressed the subject of which value to pursue but none have the same circumstances as my case

All the posts I've read the members items have been lost in the 'network'.

 

Theirs had actually been scanned at some point so Evri had proof that their parcel was indeed lost through the process of delivery.

 

I see mine as a completely different situation.

 

Due to there being absolutely no evidence that my item ever reached the depot would heavily support that the item was stolen.

 

Most likely by the collections person who collected it from the parcel shop.

 

Because of these facts it got me thinking I might have a case to pursue the correct value of the item.

 

That said,I thank you for your advice and will follow it.

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You don't seem to have noticed that my site team colleagues – who are volunteers (we all are) – have been taking the time to edit your posts in order to introduce spacing to make them more readable especially on small screen such as telephones.

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There is no practical difference between your case and those to which you refer

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No,I didn't realise my comments had been edited to make them more readable.

I did comment that I apologise for my lack of grammar and punctuation.My gratitude goes to whoever took the time to correct it.

I will keep you posted on how things progress.

 

Once again,many thanks for your advice.

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Grammar is not a problem. Don't worry about it.

Spacing is pretty important

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Hi all,was going to start the claim with Evri but they told me to send all the details to them and they will fill it in on my behalf..Is this a wise thing to do being as a plan to take them to court if the don't cough up full amount?

Here is the part of the email telling me they will fill it in.

 

If you could please provide us with the following details, we’ll fill in the form on your behalf:

 

Parcel contents

Packaging details

Delivery address

Delivery postcode

Selling price/value

Postage cost

eBay item number (if applicable)

So that we can assess your claim, please attach a proof of value for the contents of your parcel, such as a PayPal invoice, scanned receipts, screenshot or a document that shows the payment transaction details.

 

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Which form is it that they are proposing to fill in for you?

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I suggest that you do a letter

 

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Dear XXX


Formal complaint tracking reference number XXX

this is to confirm that you have lost a parcel which was put in your care on XXX date. The parcel contained XXX. The parcel was properly packaged in a box and properly secured.

The delivery address was XXX and the delivery postcode was XXX.

The selling price/value of the contents were XXX and the delivery cost was XXX.

The item was as a result of an eBay sale reference number XXX

I'm setting this out in a letter of complaint apart from anything else because you have the tracking reference number and all of these details were entered when I booked the delivery. It's clear that you are simply trying to waste time and eventually make some token reimbursement of £20.

I'm giving you seven days to respond with full reimbursement otherwise I'm moving to a letter of claim.

I don't intend to be mucked around.

Yours sincerely

 

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Many thanks for that Bankfodder 

they have given me 14 days to make a claim of which 11 remain as I received the email a few days ago.

 

I'm concerned those 14 days will have elapsed by the time they receive and read the letter and result in me not being able to pursue the full refund.

 

Any thoughts on this please?

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Are you telling me that you are going along with timescales that they are setting and that you are deferring to them on how this matter should be conducted?

Shameful

You had better have a serious change in your mindset if you are going to deal with this.

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Haha,

I take it their timescales mean nothing then.

Thanks for that,

 

I suppose it wouldn't hurt to provide them with the information they have asked for and also send them the formal complaint.

 

Will keep you posted.

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just the same as any debt collection agency, their timescales are not under any law and they like a DCA have ZERO legal powers to dictate ANY timescales.

 

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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