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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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After another exchange - I've offered NFS to post a cheque or pay the a cash to a specified account.  Either will serve as a receipt and proof of payment.  He's being insistent he wants to come this evening, to my house, so I'm even more wary.

Good point, I can't verify the notes are good! lol

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This is getting silly!

Just insist that you don't wish to meet him and that he pays as you suggested.

I was in a similar situation years ago and just asked the guy to meet me at wy workplace. (Plenty of witnesses).

 

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macky d's they've cameras

arrive early and park out the way and walk there and let them leave first so they dont clock your car.

it will be a receipt.

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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After much repeated insistence they were coming, and me telling them not to, they then said they would be here 7.30am tomorrow.  At which time only wife and kids will be home.

After 3 times saying not to come, then their further insistence, I called 101 to advise of the situation and that I wanted it logged he has been told not to come.  It feels a bit petty but I seriously do not want this guy at my house, period, let alone if I'm not there.

This all feels like it's gone a bit silly. 

He made a comment to say 'good luck with your building work', (I'm having a new extension built currently) so he's clearly actually been to my property in the last couple of days.

Payment is due by a week today. If it doesn't arrive then he never had an intention to pay in my eyes and I'll proceed with the 3rd party debt order

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Tell your wife to not answer the door.....easy and send a text  that no one will be home so dont make a wasted journey and to make payment by bank transfer to Sort number xxxxxx account number. Name xxxxxxx

 

Ball back in court then.

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Note on door telling him not to ring.

If he then rings,wife should not open the door, and should call police on 999, stating:
a) you won a county court case,
b) have advised him you don't want to meet in person,
c) told him not to attend your property,
d) left a note on the door,
e) he has rung despite that, and she is concerned for her safety / that there is a breach of the peace.

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Update: I received a message from NFS to say a missed delivery was the money for the judgement. 

When I got got home there was a royal mail missed delivery note with redelivery to be attempted tomorrow.

Wondering what's in the letter/parcel!?

Could this actually be coming to a close? 

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Update:

 

*drum roll*

Royal mail redelivered this morning. 

Package contained:

£20 note x247

£10 note x1

£2 coin x1

£1 coin x1

20p coin x2

2p coin x1

£4,953.42 total...

On my way to the bank now to deposit....as long as all the notes bank... its done!

 

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Well done, but what a slog and what an amazingly incompetent and maverick way for them to do business.

One wonders how they had that kind of cash lying around.

It has been a real journey for you. Congratulations

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  • BankFodder changed the title to NFS Screeding Ltd, Company Registration No. 8945777 (Need for Screed) - **Judgment debt paid**

If you haven't deposited this money with the bank yet, my site team colleague @honeybee13 has pointed out that banking this amount of money in cash could possibly trigger some kind of alert with the bank. They are very sensitive to this kind of thing and they can take quite extreme action such as closing accounts or locking accounts very quickly if they have the slightest concern.

If you have more than one account then I would suggest you distribute it. Maybe this is being overcautious – but if you look around on this forum of the amount of accounts which have been peremptorily closed by banks simply because there has been a sudden payment of cash – possibly because of the car sale something – and then it takes ages to sort out during which time the account holder loses all access to their money.

In fact as an afterthought – if you do go to the bank then take along a copy of the judgement with you and make sure the banks see it and maybe leave a copy with them

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Yes, I included it as an afterthought – I think we have crossposted on that point

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The greatest of minds ....!

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Just catching up on the last few posts - the money banked ok, and is now showing on my account.

I did take a copy of the judgement with me as it had crossed my mind regards anti-money laundering protocols but they didn't ask where the money come from, nor did they look at the judgement I handed over.

The account it went to has received electronic payments of value in the past so hoping it wont trigger anything this time being cash.

Regards the amount being in cash - I did wonder myself if it was stored 'under the mattress' but if the messages from NFS are to believed, it was taken out from Lloyds bank.

That said, I don't want there to be a hole in their booking keeping records...should I send a receipt to the accountant for the cash payment? 🤔

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Yes, any interest in total transparency I think it is a very good idea to send them a receipt for the money.

Give it a week or so to die down and for the bank to digest it. I think that you then may need to mark the judgement as paid

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ok good, thanks, I'll draft the receipt.

Regards the judgement, I was wondering if I needed to do any admin to follow up.  The judgement form itself didn't advise I needed to take any action in the event of it being fulfilled and I couldn't see anything that placed any obligation on me to notify the court.

Would it be for the defendant to validate they have paid it, if they wanted the judgement cleared?

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I'm not sure if there is any legal requirement but certainly the protocol would be to mark it as satisfied. However, give it a couple of weeks to make sure everything settles down.

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If at any stage of the proceedings you decide you no longer want to proceed with a claim, or if it has been paid in full, you can click on the ‘update claim status’ button from your homepage.


Please note that the information may take up to 10 working days to be recorded onto the court system. Remember - it is your responsibility to inform the court that a case has been paid or should be discontinued. You should also inform the defendant that you have taken the appropriate action to withdraw the claim.


Please wait until funds have cleared before you mark the case as paid. If you advise the court that a case has been paid but then the payment does not clear, you will be required to make an application to a District Judge and pay a fee in order to reinstate the case.

You must provide the court with the date that you received the money. As with all information provided to the court the date must be accurate.
Please note that once judgment has been entered you will no longer be able to simply withdraw the claim. If you do not wish to continue for any other reason than that the claim has been paid, you will need to make an application to set judgment aside. Please contact the court for further information.

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Thanks for sharing the above information - it looks like the only action I will be able to take is on MCOL, to archive the claim now that judgement has been entered/made.

MCOL hasn't updated the claim progress since it was originally transferred to Hertford County Count in April.

Well, today is 'Judgement Day' in that it is the last day to pay the judgement order. ..

Thankfully the defendant has paid the order (money is banked) and all that remains is the matter or having the works now completed using the judgement award.

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Regardless of the outcome, its been so valuable for me as a regular person/penguin to have access to this kind of support and advice.

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