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    • quite usual for couriers to swap parcel contents, though it could have been done by someone at the 1st address before it got to where it should have .... ebay. just to clarify as you seem to be not understanding/reading some posts correctly.   you should always ignore a dca totally unless you ever get a letter of claim in the post. you never ever ring a DCA.. they LIE. no!! no!! they dont own the debt, their txt says our client ebay. only the OWNER of a debt can take you to court. and ebay dont do court. i find it quite amazing that you have numerous threads about ebay/paypal regarding issues since you joined in 2011 but have never read any of the advice previously given. dx    
    • so where are the one with this HMTL link? and when were they sent.? pdf's merged and properly named. dx  
    • Hi Just had a wee look at your PDF and nothing really to add. Now as for the Court Fees if these are in there Claim then that is for the Judge to decide whether they accept the recovery of Court Fees in the Claim. If recovery of Court Fees are not in the Claim and they try to recover these via your deposit then you dispute this with the Tenancy deposit scheme your deposit is protected in and point out these costs should have been in there Court Claim which they failed to do and is there error.  
    • The postcode is an important point. You cannot be in two postcodes at the same time and the contract only covers the F area and not the E area where Met placed your car. See there is some   advantages in with idiots.🙂 The other fact about the electric spaces is that as you are not allowed to park there, the sign is prohibitory so cannot  offer a contract anyway. and another biggie in your favour is you were not the driver and the PCN does not comply with PoFA. I had another look yesterday at the PCN and there is another error since it does not say that the driver is responsible to pay the charge during the first 28 days. Schedule 4 Section 9 [2][b] (b)inform the keeper that the driver is required to pay parking charges in respect of the specified period of parking and that the parking charges have not been paid in full; so that is another nail in their coffin and it s something I would include in  your WS since that is one that every Judge would accept as a failure to comply. As far as their WS is concerned some of them leave it to the last minute to prevent Defendants being able to counteract their claims. However if they leave it too late [ie after the stipulated time] you can email yours to the Court on the last day and complain at the bottom of your WS that you have not received it and therefore you are asking the Court not to accept their WS. In your case it isn't that important since you have a virtual walkover in Court. I would be surprised if they don't concede beforehand. It is a lost cause for them. Not that I would advocate parking in their electric bay in future with a petrol driven car again.🙂
    • I think the post code 0 v O is nonsense personally and would just annoy the judge.  Cases are decided informally at small claims and judges are not interested in the weakest of trivialities. Understood re FY v EY.  So add to the Unfair PCN section that the PCN includes the wrong post code and places you at a residential area rather than the car park in question. You should wait till 7 June before filing your WS - as a Litigant-in-Person you wont't be penalised for being a day late - to see if MET's WS turns up.  It will also give you a chance to see if they have paid the hearing fee.  If it doesn't turn up you can attack them for defying court directions.  If it does turn up you can ridicule their arguments.  Win win. Also you can see if they have bottled it - which they have done with the last two cases we have here. I think the exact points of your WS have become a tad confusing - and I have heartily contributed to the confusion! - so can you please add the latest version.
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Why have you filed early??

 

Dx

 

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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No need to file so early, it gives the fleecer's a chance to counter your arguments with more spin/

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The bailiff: A 12th Century solution re-branded as Enforcement Agents for the 21st Century to seize and sell debtors goods as before Oh so Dickensian!

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If you have time before going away get a CPR request off like the last time.

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No to mediation always but that's for when you ever get an n180 from mcol, keep a watch on mcol 

 

You need to kill them using email too!!

 

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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No!! Come on you should know these things ... You need to kill them using email as a method of Comms, else they'll file important docs 1 min before a deadline removing your chance to counter their fakery and lies 

 

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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If you read other threads with "claim form" in the title, you'll soon understand the steps of the legal process.

 

There are four on the last page of our PPC Successes thread.

 

https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/347084-ppc-successes-no-questions-please/page/14/#comments

 

 

 

 

 

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On 24/09/2022 at 14:59, FTMDave said:

If you read other threads with "claim form" in the title, you'll soon understand the steps of the legal process.

 

There are four on the last page of our PPC Successes thread.

Er - why did I write this?

 

We are dealing with the thrasher of Simple Simon in court  👏

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Hello, i'm back!

Finally received a court date for this one & I am required to get my witness statement in by 4pm on the 22nd December.

 

To recap - a vehicle that I am the registered keeper of (but categorically not the driver) picked up an invoice for overstaying at a retail park car park.

 

The 'offence' took place on the 28th Feb '22, the NTK was posted on the 14th March & date notice given as 16th March (these dates were printed on the NTK)

 

I sent off a CPR request to Gladstones their solicitors but received nothing, not even an acknowledgment.

 

My main defence would seem to be that the Notice was out of time & therefore POFA does not apply & they cant transfer the charge from driver to keeper:

 

(4)The notice must be given by—

(a)handing it to the keeper, or leaving it at a current address for service for the keeper, within the relevant period; or

(b)sending it by post to a current address for service for the keeper so that it is delivered to that address within the relevant period.

 

(5)The relevant period for the purposes of sub-paragraph (4) is the period of 14 days beginning with the day after that on which the specified period of parking ended.

 

(6)A notice sent by post is to be presumed, unless the contrary is proved, to have been delivered (and so “given” for the purposes of sub-paragraph (4)) on the second working day after the day on which it is posted; and for this purpose “working day” means any day other than a Saturday, Sunday or a public holiday in England and Wales.

 

Should i keep it simple & just go with this and ask for the claim to be dismissed? 

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no you cant leave it that simple in a witness statement 

 

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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The problem with just one argument is that if you get a dodgy judge who discounts it then it's game over.

 

We recommend throwing the kitchen sink in at WS stage, so there are as many arguments to chuck the claim out as possible.

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I have had no response to my CPR request sent months ago so I have re-emailed Gladstones last week & still no reply. Unable to ascertain the contract between the landowner & PCM.

I can find no application for planning permission for signs so presume they are illegal.

This morning I was in the vicinity so popped over to photo the signage & guess what? My CN for overstaying in a 2 hour free car park is wrong as it is 3 hours! Does this invalidate the CN as the 'offence' of staying beyond 2 hours is incorrect? Pic of sign attached

anchorwood bank signage.pdf

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Don't think you should be using email for communication...

 

They could serve documents 1 minute before a deadline, so you have no chance to counter.

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Also,

You asked "Does this invalidate the CN as the 'offence' of staying beyond 2 hours is incorrect?"

 

All the PCN says is that you exceeded the time limit. Doesn't mention a 2 or 3 hour time limit.

 

The POC also just states their usual, vague, "parked in breach of the terms of parking", so no time limits mentioned there either.

 

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I've just reread your thread from the start.

 

In their PCN the fleecers specifically state it is in line with Schedule 4 of POFA.  They haven't respected the 14 days of POFA.  They're screwed.

 

Then they haven't offered the discount which is in all the CoPs.

 

Don't remind Gladstones.  Think about it.  You don't want them to reply.  Then you can state in your WS that you don't believe the fleecers have a valid contract with the landowner, nor that they have obtained PP, and they have refused to produce these following a CPR request.

 

I don't think the 2-hour v 3-hour limit really helps you, as the driver stayed nearly 4 hours.  in any case, where have the fleecers mentioned a 2-hour limit?  I can't see it anywhere.

 

You need to start work on your WS.  Your sections need to be

   - No Locus Standi

   - Illegal Signage

   - No Keeper Liability

   - Invalid PCN/Breach of Codes of Practice

   - Double Recovery.

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And, in case it got missed during cross posting...

Tell them (by email and snail mail) that email communication is no longer to be used.

Postal letters only!

 

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Thanks everyone. I'm at work currently but could have sworn there was mention of 2 hours somewhere, i will check later.

 

Day off tomorrow so will get a first draft WS using FTMDave's sections & post it up for comment on Thursday.

 

I get the point about email, i just didn't want them to deny receiving the cpr request so I have at least got a email receipt to say they have had my request. I will prepare the WS on the assumption that I wont get a reply.

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Coincidentally just received (by email!) the following,  i've redacted my details from their witness statement. They have included their contract which was only one of the items i requested in my cpr request

 

We act for the claimant in the above matter.

 

Please find attached, by way of service, the Claimant's Witness Statement.   

 

In accordance with CPR 27.9 our Client hereby gives notice that it will not be attending the hearing.

 

We confirm the court has been informed and that we have asked the Court to decide the claim in our Client's absence based on the evidence submitted.

 

We confirm the statement has been filed at the Court

Gladstones witness statement.pdf

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then as long as YOU ATTEND you will win. if they are not going 

 

dx

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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gladstones have changed their tune about out basic defence then ......the Defendant has been able to produce a substantive Defence.

 

wow!!

 

dx

 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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