Boris Johnson, former Prime Minister

[honeybee13]

The interview hasn't gone down well and people are comparing it to the Price Andrew interview with Emily Maitlis. Maybe they thought Laura K would go easy on them.

At least one news organisation that received libel threats from Mone and Barrowman's lawyers is talking about suing them for the legal costs they incurred for dealing with the threatening legal letters.

 

[unclebulgaria67]

If you have a Government caught out by a pandemic with insufficient supplies of essentials, inviting anyone to offer quotes with fast track decision making for VIP's, then it is no surprise that some of contracts agreed ended up being poor value for money.

Governments who throw money around in an attempt to resolve problems they partly caused, are seen as fools to make money out of.

I predict that most of the current investigations into alleged crimes will eventually be dropped, on the basis that the Government agreed the terms of contracts.

 

[honeybee13]

You're right, UB, the procurement process was terrible and the lack of planning ahead was HMG's fault.

But there's still the point that established suppliers were clamouring to help and were being overlooked for cronies who had zero experience of PPE.

[unclebulgaria67]

But the Government may say that due to volumes of PPE, it was better to have increased number of suppliers and not to rely on smaller number of specialist suppliers who may rely on existing crowded markets for the supplies ?

[honeybee13]

[tobyjugg2]

1 hour ago, unclebulgaria67 said:

But the Government may say that due to volumes of PPE, it was better to have increased number of suppliers and not to rely on smaller number of specialist suppliers who may rely on existing crowded markets for the supplies ?

Really ! Phuut.

Cake shops, rat catchers, pub landlords and companies created with no expertise, experience or supply chain (other than a contact in alibaba we could all email) in PPE whatsoever while ignoring existing suppliers with stock and supply chains of verified and cheaper product? - who then were forced to sell their products to the EU

Get real @unclebulgaria67 theres devils advocate and then theres total horsecrap

- unless you want to give us a couple of examples of properly evaluated VIPals? with a comparison to the rat catchersd, pub landlords, and companies created a day before - or even after they were promoted by some profiteering crony?

Edited December 18, 2023 by tobyjugg2

[honeybee13]

Michelle Moan seems determined to take everyone down with her. She's accused Gove and Sir Chris Wormald of buying five years' worth of PPE when it was only meant to be four months. [Why only four months?]

She's saying Sunak will make large amounts of money out of his Moderna shares now Moderna has teamed up with HMG.

Jim Bethell is denying that he knew all about her connection with Medpro. And a miracle has happened - he's unearthed a message from late 2020 when he said he'd lost all the messages from that time with his phone.

[honeybee13]

How Mone tried to get The New European to shut up. They're thinking of taking her to the small claims court for the legal costs they incurred for publishing things she now says are true.

 

How Michelle Mone tried to silence the New European - The New European

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The lying baroness’s web of deceit has been revealed after her disastrous Laura Kuenssberg interview

 

[theoldrouge]

Now I wonder who elevated the baroness to a peerage?
Ah yes, step forward Call me Lord Dave
Says all you need to know about his judgement when calling on Israel to surrender 

[tobyjugg2]

So @theoldrouge what do you think it says about the IDF when they murder three of the escaped hostages who were stripped to the waist to show they were unarmed and holding up a white flag - after writing on the building they were escaped hostages who needed help?

Let alone that they then chased the unarmed one who wasn't killed in the initial hail of fire, and murdered him while he was begging for his life ?

 

 

 

 

[honeybee13]

Going back to PPE, someone has retweeted this.

 

[tobyjugg2]

Would that be the Nolan code?

When did that change from dancing, prancing and romancing to lying, evading and obfuscating?

 

So who remembers Sunaks pledges of "integrity, professionalism and accountability at every level"

... which he immediately and repeated trashed.

 

 

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[tobyjugg2]

Interesting responses from the lawyers - Only one apologised for being 'misled

"“I neither knew nor had any reason to believe that my client was not telling me the truth and wrote to your title in good faith … My client was also a member of the House of Lords and had therefore been deemed trustworthy by the state. I was therefore entitled to start with the assumption that she would not mislead me.

“To the extent that I unintentionally misled your colleagues and title, I offer my unqualified apology. I am a devout Christian, and hold to the values of truth and integrity as faithfully as I can.”"

The others pleaded 'the filth err fifth' effectively:

err cant say owt cause its client privileged and lying in such cases is 'nothing wrong'

Lawyer apologises for saying Michelle Mone was not linked to PPE firm | Michelle Mone | The Guardian

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Jonathan Coad, who represented former Tory peer, says sorry for unwittingly misleading the media

 

 

[honeybee13]

This could be interesting.

Penny Mordaunt: Boris Johnson’s messages vanished from my phone | Penny Mordaunt | The Guardian

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MP tells Covid inquiry that then prime minister’s chief of staff ignored repeated attempts to discuss matter

 

[unclebulgaria67]

Sounds like a security issue, where WhatsApp have had to remove messages ? But will the Inquiry be able to find out exactly what happened? If national security interests are involved, we may never find out.

[honeybee13]

What I don't get is if national security is involved, why didn't Johnson's old phone go to the security services to be reopened?

The way it sounds is that his team chose some 'experts' and then reported back to the inquiry that they couldn't find anything. If I'd been Lady Hallett, I'd have considered commandeering the phone.

[tobyjugg2]

seem to be forgetting the whats-app self-deleting messages introduced to politicians (allegedly) by Sue Gray

.. before any 'hard reset' or 'north sea reset'

 

Isn't that what these are referring to?

"But searching for the exchange, she found not only that it seemed to be missing but that she could find no messages to or from Johnson between March 2018 and March 2020."

[honeybee13]

There are other news organisations considering this, apparently.

We’re helping The New European sue Michelle Mone - Good Law Project

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[tobyjugg2]

A couple of points - which only one of her lawyers seems to have taken note:

 

Fast forward to 25 November 2019.  Solicitors are now subject to a rule which says:

“You do not mislead or attempt to mislead your clients, the court or others, either by your own acts or omissions or allowing or being complicit in the acts or omissions of others (including your client).”

 

Many different behaviours may be considered dishonest. Some examples include:

• lying to, or misleading someone, such as telling a client that their case is going well when it has failed
• helping other people to act improperly, such as by giving credibility to a dubious or suspicious investment scheme run by others

 

Principle 4 requires you to act with honesty. While someone acting dishonestly can be said to be acting without integrity, the concept of integrity is wider than just acting dishonestly.

The courts have made clear that the standard of honesty required for solicitors is that they may be "trusted to the ends of the earth" (Bolton v Law Society [1993] EWCA Civ 32).

 

https://www.sra.org.uk/solicitors/guidance/general-dishonesty/

https://www.sra.org.uk/consumers/problems/fraud-dishonesty/legal-threats-solicitor/

 

 

[honeybee13]

Possibly the one lawyer who did comment was thinking of that rule, TJ. I thought he was implying that the Mones didn't tell him the entire truth.

[tobyjugg2]

Thats teh way i read it.

Perhaps the others were thinking 'old school' where they could largely say owt as long as it wasn't actually in litigation/court but:

 

"The new rule is totally unqualified.  On the face of it, no mens rea is required – inadvertently misleading the court is a breach, regardless of how much care you took to try to avoid that.  The words “your client [or] the court…” are meaningless as the addition of “or others” means that the effect of this rule is that you cannot mislead anyone. In addition, unlike previous iterations of this rule, it is not limited to statements made during the course of litigation; nor even in the course of practice.  "

[honeybee13]

Mone says it's 'laughable' that the New European should sue her for lying.

Baroness Mone facing legal action following 'threats' to sue newspaper over PPE coverage

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Representatives for Baroness Mone say it is "laughable" that the New European is seeking to sue her in a row over its coverage of the PPE...

 

[tobyjugg2]

Strange when she seemed quite eager to dishonestly use lawyers against honest people telling the truth eh?

Just like trump and pals and their supporters whining about them being prosecuted but happy for them to use their money lawyers to shut up honest people and tie up cases for years

Just like Johnson and their supporters ...

 

Theres a pattern here eh?

Their supporters also whine about elites - when trump, Farage, Johnson the Liar, crony Mone et al ARE the corrupt self serving elites

 

Edited December 22, 2023 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

More Fuel for Partygate cover up mentality - whats left of £3.2 million quids worth of taxpayer funded booze eh?

"Ministers have been asked to explain why a report on the UK government’s consumption of wine during the Covid pandemic has been delayed four times over the last year."

"The stock list was originally meant to be published in “early 2023”, was subsequently scheduled for July and then ministers later said it would appear in the autumn."

"The last update was from Andrew Mitchell, a Foreign Office minister, who answered a parliamentary question saying it would be published “before the Christmas recess” – but it never materialised by the end of the parliamentary term."

 

How long does it take to count all the missing bottles eh?

Perhaps counting whats left is a much smaller task?

 

"“One of the ways we know the government is gearing up for an election in May is that they have started running down the clock on all kinds of publications in the hope of delaying disclosure until the purdah period kicks in. We are seeing it in their repeated extension of freedom of information deadlines, we are seeing it in their delays of departmental transparency data, and now we are even seeing it in relation to this wine cellar report."

 

UK ministers asked to explain fourth delay to Covid wine cellar report | Conservatives | The Guardian

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Labour accuses government of holding back data on use of official alcohol stock between March 2020 and 2022

 

Edited December 29, 2023 by tobyjugg2

[honeybee13]

Farage seems to have a short memory.