Boris Johnson, former Prime Minister

[tobyjugg2]

Still as dishonest as when Johnson was there - headline is a sensationalist lie for starters as proven by the first line

 

Imagine a basically honest politician as PM let loose on the VIP lane antics to regain public trust and avoid the opposition saying they are just as criminal with cover-ups

- a chunk of the Tory party would be in dock where they belong and banned from high office .. potentially

Party always comes first though ..

[honeybee13]

According to the Guardian at 09.49, the idea of Johnson staying on until the autumn is going down like a concrete parachute with MPs. They're more aware than I gave them credit for.

 

I shouldn't quote the whole thing but this is one comment.

 

Another highly senior Tory source who has been with Johnson over the past 48 hours said his behaviour meant it was dangerous for the country for him to stay. The source said:

 

His behaviour in the last 48 hrs and been reckless and erratic. He cannot be trusted to lead the country until the autumn. God knows what he will do.

 

 

Boris Johnson vows to stand down as Tories insist ‘reckless’ prime minister must go now – live updates | Politics | The Guardian

WWW.THEGUARDIAN.COM

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Latest updates: prime minister agrees to resign but ex-ministers insist he cannot stay on until October

 

[tobyjugg2]

Apparently braverman has her eye on the leadership FFS

All these populist scumbags need to be gone - baker especially although theres fat chance of him being deposed.

 

The whole lot of them need to be gone.

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[tobyjugg2]

The government/Johnson has been brought down due to corruption and lying - there needs to be a general election.

In a way i hope Johnson succeeds in generating one although he will try to generate a GE and kick it as far into the long grass as he can to gain time to fiddle.

 

Needs to be one now - and without the select  id required disenfranchising crap.

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[tobyjugg2]

lets not forget that Johnson was actually getting nowhere with delivering hard Brexit .. he was just kicking it all into the long grass even with his international law breaking

Baker and the hard right wing wanted him gone. Baker may even go for PM now that the doodoo is as deep as it is and he thinks he can do what he likes for 2 years

[honeybee13]

So he's speaking to the nation at 12.30 - probably means 1pm - and is still appointing ministers? It was never going to be normal but it's turning Trumpian.

 

 

[honeybee13]

So the resignation still seems open-ended at the moment. Pippa Crerar said earlier that she thinks it's up to the 1922 committee to organise the process of when Johnson leaves, I don't know if it has to wait until after their election on Monday.

 

I think I already said I don't think leaving him as caretaker PM isn't a good idea, nor do a lot of MPs. For once, I'm finding I agree with some of what Demonic says. He thinks Johnson should be out this evening before there's carnage. He thinks the PM is playing for time until the autumn.

 

https://twitter.com/Dominic2306?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1544990924572430337|twgr^|twcon^s1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fpolitics%2Flive%2F2022%2Fjul%2F07%2Fboris-johnson-latest-resignations-today-conservatives-uk-politics-livetop-of-blog

 

[honeybee13]

This has been kicking around for a while about Johnson's dealings with Alexander Lebedev, father of Evening Standard owner Lord Lebedev. Places like the Byline Times and others.

 

Johnson finally admitted yesterday to the Liaison commiittee that he spoke to Lebedev senior without security or other staff being involved, when he was a minister.

 

MP asks if ex-KGB agent tried to arrange private Johnson and Lavrov call | Boris Johnson | The Guardian

WWW.THEGUARDIAN.COM

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Yvette Cooper requests more details about Boris Johnson’s meeting with Alexander Lebedev in Italy in 2018

 

[snowdragon]

seems most people  who been asked have said they still want the Tories to be in power as no one trusts the other parties!  rotflmao

[honeybee13]

Where was that please, Sandy, I didn't see it?

[snowdragon]

all over internet HB, Mainly on craphoo ( yahoo! ) and f/b spotted pages

[honeybee13]

A link would be handy please.

 

In other news, senior Tories are saying Johnson wants to stay on as caretaker PM because of a planned wedding bash at Chequers.

 

 

Boris Johnson and wife Carrie to host lavish Chequers wedding party while he clings on - Mirror Online

WWW.MIRROR.CO.UK

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Senior Tories claim Boris Johnson is clinging to power in part so that he and wife Carrie can host lavish bash at Chequers to mark their marriage, which...

 

He has form for not leaving grace and favour residences.

 

Boris Johnson 'ignored' official letters telling him to leave his £20million Government apartment | Daily Mail Online

WWW.DAILYMAIL.CO.UK

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The former foreign secretary remained rent-free in his grace-and-favour flat a stone's throw from Buckingham Palace for three weeks after storming out...

 

[tobyjugg2]

re

'Johnsons playing for time and will try to cheat his way into continuing'

 

as do I - no doubts whatsoever

 

 

 

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[tobyjugg2]

2 hours ago, snowdragon said:

all over internet HB, Mainly on craphoo ( yahoo! ) and f/b spotted pages

 

aka trolls and bots?

It is the norm for right (and left) wing so called populist concepts and support.

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[tobyjugg2]

Breaking:

In addition to Suella Braverman announcing her bid for leadership of the Conpervative party on her 'one law for us' platform

 

.. Grant Shapps, Michael Green, Corinne Stockheath and Sebastian Fox announce their leadership bids on a 'no second jobs without second names' platform

[snowdragon]

so tell us the TJ, who in your opinion should be next PM or even what party to ruin us, oh sorry meant run the country

[tobyjugg2]

Wallace, if he promises and actions a clean-up (fat chance), with Rabb (or May) as a caretaker until then

or back to the people with preferably a lib-dem/labour coalition

.. and the Tory populists/ERG etc all losing their seats - (no issue with few real remaining conservatives winning seats - they are needed)

 

There simply is NOT a Tory party at the moment, no matter how much Russian and right wing trolls and bots (and their cheerleaders) might claim differently.

Just like there is quite rightly no real support for the other wannabe dictatorship - Corbuncle

 

 

What we will probably end up with is Baker hard right with more power until a GE - but I HOPE not.

 

 

Whats your hopes SD?

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[snowdragon]

nothing TJ, All politicians are liars and break promises once they get in, they need try living on        the pittance most people get now, I do not support ant  party at all

[tobyjugg2]

As I've said before, for me, for many years its been choosing what i perceive as the lessor evil and hope that doing such by enough people would generate improvement rather than deteriation

 

Do you really think that Starmer is as bad as Johnson or Patel?

If so - expand and explain why?

 

Think

Is someone who accidentally trod on an ant the same as a mass murderer

and is someone who isnt perfect really on a par with a lying corrupt ****** like Johnson?

(in which case you should consider you are effectively saying you are as bad as a mass murderer or Johnson)

 

So expand please?

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[tobyjugg2]

breaking rumors (while we wait for SD)

 

After being secretly awarded the 'order of victory' for heroic efforts enabling essential Londongrad money-laundering services funding Military and subversion programs, an unnamed traitor is allegedly playing for time while he applies for political asylum in Ukraine.

 

A alleged picture of the traitor receiving it from an oligarch during a secretive meeting is expected to be released once the traitor is securely in Ukraine ...

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[snowdragon]

I now know why I hardly ever come in here now, sick of way am treated.

[honeybee13]

I'm sorry you feel like that, Sandy.

 

TJ, not everyone is interested in politics but Sandy's still entitled to comment, yes? We can't all answer your questions.

[tobyjugg2]

HUH? Whats wrong with asking someone to clarify the reasoning behind their stance?

No-one has to explain, but surely it helps make/break a case, and it should be equally as acceptable to ask for clarification and present a different opinion without having to waffle when a 'stance' which flies in the face of sense and reason appears to have been presented. .

 

Simply again asking clarification on the reasoning behind a repeated statement and presenting the questionable logic in some examples which highlight the issues I see.

 

I might not add wholly niceties , direct is natural me,  but I think unsupported statements don't warrant or even deserve them anyway if I'm being blunt.

In fact I actually believe someone simply stating something like, for example  'Boris is the best most honest politician around and theres none better or different' in the current situation actually warrants little more than 'what utter crap'  as a response.

... So I was being 'nice'

 

[tobyjugg2]

5 hours ago, snowdragon said:

seems most people  who been asked have said they still want the Tories to be in power as no one trusts the other parties!  rotflmao

 

5 hours ago, snowdragon said:

all over internet HB, Mainly on craphoo ( yahoo! ) and f/b spotted pages

 

How does that look?

 

 

Now did I whine or avoid when you asked me what many might see as an awkward question?

NO - I answered it as completely as i could in a shortish response

 

Perhaps consider returning that courtesy instead of whining that I am being discourteous.

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[honeybee13]

TJ, not everyone is good at standing up for themselves, maybe Sandy is one of them. I wasn't always assertive.

 

CAG is a community, please let's be nice to each other when the world outside is tough.