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Cabot and old Aqua card debt - keep wanting me to increase payments now letter of claim


yesilgozlerim

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at last you are beginning to understand........ they are playing a game of draughts when we are actually pulling chess moves on them.

 

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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not going anywhere then.

 

dx

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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On 21/05/2023 at 17:40, London1971 said:

The claim is going nowhere, all stopped for the price of a stamp.  As for selling on the debt, just keep opening your mail, but likely there won't ever be a CCA. If they come up with anything, run it by us.

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just about update.

a letter from MC dated 31st July

please note that your dispute is still being currently investigated.

We are awaiting documentation and information from our client and the original creditor which may take some time. 


In the meantime your account will remain in hold.

We thank you for your patience.

still no response to SAR either 😂

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SAR you didnt send one?

you see if you'd done this back in 2014 when i told you too, the debt would be dead buried and gone by now.

but you refused for 6yrs to send a cca request, blindly paying a debt you never had too and running the statute barred date to infinity.

its taking them rather a long time to come up with the fake paperwork they'll eventually send you.

 

dx

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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  • 3 months later...

Thankyou Andy. I couldn’t find it anywhere 

Update:

Yesterday they sent me a letter regarding my dispute on their PAP saying that I had previous made legal requests and they didn’t receive it and as such they were not aware this information was required. 

(He has not however mentioned the fact that I requested a CCA back in April 2023 and am still awaiting comeback from that )

The letter then goes to say if I want to request a CCA then please do so within 30 days.

My account has been placed on hold!

what should my next move be ?

Funny thing is I sent all that paperwork back in April and they only are acknowledging it on 16th October ( letter received today was  dated 3rd November )

Only took them 6 months 

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well thats their problem.

yours is not the next move.

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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you are falling back inti their traps again.

since 2022 you've sent them TWO cca requests, they have replied to neither of them and you have proof of posting for both.

now if you want to scan this letter up to pdf please do,

pers i'd not be entering into more pointless letter tennis.

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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done it for you

thread tidied.

i would sit on your hands

lets see where they go.

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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  • 4 weeks later...

a follow up for the last letter. 
I got a SMS saying I had a new letter and I viewed it online

it told me that my account is no longer on hold and I should call them to set a repayment plan.

er..no I don’t think so !

Still no response to my CCA request I guess I will just wait for the next PAP form to come 🙄

is it worth sending a 3rd CCA request?

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you should be reporting all txt msgs to 7726 spam

blocking and bouncing all email sent/addresses used.

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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  • 1 month later...

Just a quick update…

no response at all to CCA request

just gone back to the beginning with the harassing calls ( which get blocked as Truecall shows them as Cabot ) and todays letter was just the standard your account is in arrears please call us to set up a repayment plan. 

I guess I will just wait again for the PAP letter now and go through it all over again it seems 🙄

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Ok I found my post it seems after losing it….

 

I received a letter from Moorcroft .

they have received information from Cabot financial…. 

it seems that Cabot have sold it on. 
so the cycle begins again. 
 

should I send a CCA Request to Moorcroft or should I wait for more correspondence from them first ?

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nope moorcroft dont buy debts just chase for their stated client ...which if you read the letter is cabot.

 

ignore.

dx

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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BTW the reason why you cant find things is because you have 2 usernames.

yesilgozlerim

can you still login in under the old one still or remember the email address used (dont post it here)

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Posted (edited)

Ugh so Cabot use both Mortimer Clark AND Moorcroft 🙄

yes I will IGNORE
 

regarding my old username, I no longer have access to my old email address and don’t remember the password  so I cannot login using it. 

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mortimer are cabot groups in house solicitors. who can also act as debt collectors.

moorcroft are nothing to do with the cabot group 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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On 10/11/2023 at 20:05, dx100uk said:

yours is not the next move.

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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