Mutating Corona Virus

[tobyjugg2]

Although the statements in this are basically correct in that the new vaccines are not 'super shields'  they are not in line with my understanding of the actual real world situation, which is that the new dual variant vaccines are more effective.

 

Largely because the prior vaccine versions were very effective in preventing severe illness, and reducing symptomatic illness against the newer variants, but the virus has mutated its effectiveness against vaccines generally as was a distinct possibility from the start. The newer variant vaccines are limited (but still more effective than the prior versions) because the virus has already moved on, but a

The good news so far is that it hasn't yet developed into a MERS with vaccine resistance.

 

 

Omicron boosters offer similar protection

The updated COVID-19 vaccines that have been approved in the United States and the United Kingdom offer roughly the same protection as existing vaccines, suggests a preprint study. The analysis, which has not been peer reviewed, found that the Omicron-specific boosters have marginal benefits compared with an extra dose of older vaccines — particularly when it comes to keeping people out of hospital. “This is not some kind of super-shield against infection compared to what you could have got two weeks ago or a month ago,” says vaccine scientist John Moore.

Nature | 6 min read
Reference: medRxiv preprint

[honeybee13]

Impressive detective work by the Good Law Project.

 

Government admits 50 firms were in VIP lane for test and trace contracts | Health policy | The Guardian

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Health department had denied Covid testing priority lane but new disclosure lists firms including lab behind false negatives

 

[tobyjugg2]

How nasal-spray vaccines could change the pandemic

WWW.NATURE.COM

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Vaccines inhaled through the mouth or nose might stop the coronavirus in its tracks, although there’s little evidence from human trials so far...

 

[honeybee13]

Thoughts from Devi Sridar about excess deaths this summer.

 

What’s behind the mystery of thousands of excess deaths this summer? | Devi Sridhar | The Guardian

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The real reason is as mundane, and tragic, as an underfunded NHS still struggling with the terrible effects of Covid, says Edinburgh University’s...

 

[tobyjugg2]

That is a very good article HB TY I'd not spotted it.

 

.. vast staff shortages and massive burn-out and disenchantment wont help either

 

[theoldrouge]

More “horsesh*t and crap “ from numerous medical professionals 

 

https://www.biznews.com/health/2022/09/26/mrna-vaccines-malhotra/amp

[tobyjugg2]

9 hours ago, theoldrouge said:

More “horsesh*t and crap “ from numerous medical professionals 

 

https://www.biznews.com/health/2022/09/26/mrna-vaccines-malhotra/amp

 

Most honest thing you've said

 

LOL 'biznews

Have you taken their etherium advice?

[honeybee13]

Etherium, TJ?

[theoldrouge]

Somewhat off topic ,but had you followed Max Keiser from day one on RT ,not only would you have had the opportunity to join us in buying bitcoin for less than $10 per coin, you would also have learned that Ether is in Max opinion truly “horseshit and crap “ and would have avoided it like the plague 

Now returning to the subject 

does it not concern you that many in the medical profession have realised that it is highly likely that the vaccines are causing weakness and destruction of muscles that surround the heart 

Hence the leading cardiologist who you deride is calling for the Government to suspend the use of all Covid vaccines pending release of much more of the testing data

Sooner or later the MSM is going to have to start reporting on this

[brassnecked]

Putting this here for comment and opinion,  just as devil's advocate don't flame the poster for looking at everything, its down to the individual to decide what's best for them.

Safe & Effective | Oracle Films

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This latest documentary from Oracle Films shines a light on Covid-19 vaccine injuries and takes a look at the systemic failings that have enabled them.

 

[theoldrouge]

No comment needed 

 

https://www.gbnews.uk/gb-views/those-who-speak-out-are-shouted-down-until-they-are-proved-right-says-neil-oliver/370448

[tobyjugg2]

Put something up from pubmed or Nature or New Scientist or even the Asian equivalents or some credible source and it might be worth considering.

 

You'll be back to the grays setting it all up next

Edited September 29, 2022 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

2 hours ago, theoldrouge said:

No comment needed 

 

https://www.gbnews.uk/gb-views/those-who-speak-out-are-shouted-down-until-they-are-proved-right-says-neil-oliver/370448

 

"all the blithering idiots, think tank shills, and client journalists, furious at the suggestion that blithering idiots, think tank shills, and client journalists shouldn't be treated with the same amounts of respect as proven authorities and experts"

[tobyjugg2]

23 hours ago, theoldrouge said:

 

Now returning to the subject 

does it not concern you that many in the medical profession have realised that it is highly likely that the vaccines are causing weakness and destruction of muscles that surround the heart 

 

 

'many in the medical profession' - err less than 1%,

although many more have been influenced by the complete 99% doodoo posted by the anti-vaxers - especially those who claim they aren't - but are

 

Its covid, even apparently symptom free infection that damages the muscles around the heart - as already linked. There may be the odd 1 or two where such an outcome could possibly be laid, maybe, perhaps - at the feet of a vaccine, but there are thousands where infection has been linked to precisely those effects

 

So my conclusion is you are talking complete bollocks that has already been demonstrated as false ... again.

 

 

 

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

A little reminder or 2

 

Fighting misinformation in the time of COVID-19, one click at a time

WWW.WHO.INT

 

 

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Government cracks down on spread of false coronavirus information online - GOV.UK

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Specialist units are operating to combat misinformation about coronavirus and five to ten incidents are being identified and tackled each day.

 

 

[theoldrouge]

Just to be expected, the usual “shouting down “

I am not putting forward an opinion, I am merely bringing to attention the result of a peer reviewed in depth report by a leading cardiologist

I watched the interview of Mike Sharman who made the film quoted by @brassneckedand as a highly respected broadcaster, in his view regardless of whether the cardiologist is proven right or wrong, it is utterly scandalous that the MSM are being somehow prevented from in depth journalism into the matter

The more people resort to threats  

the more it becomes obvious that there may well be something we are not being told

[tobyjugg2]

Almost none of your claims there are actually true other than a quickly passing semblance, and actually ends with a conspiracy claim LOL

 

As requested, simply post some actually peer reviewed pubmed or nature articles, as you have been repeatedly asked, and as I have, rather than you referring some conspiracy crap which has ALREADY been repeatedly demonstrated as false - with supporting links.

 

Otherwise you and @BN are posting and spreading false covid misinformation however much you try to claim its some other  'legitimate' source, when it isn't either.

 

and regarding any 'don't shoot the messenger' excuses, if someone came up to your door and dropped dog feces on it repeatedly, would you blame the dog or the dumper?

The spread of misinformation IS on the messengers.

Edited September 30, 2022 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

On 10/01/2022 at 21:58, tobyjugg2 said:

@brassnecked

 

You seem to be able to find the obscure conspiracy sites, how come you apparently have such a hard time finding the wealth of actual vaccine and covid science?

 

prod intended

 

asking again ...

 

 

Quick google - none of it new

 

How does coronavirus affect your heart? | BHF

WWW.BHF.ORG.UK

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We explain how coronavirus progresses in the body, including how it can affect your heart and circulatory system.

 

 

Coronavirus and the Nervous System | National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke

WWW.NINDS.NIH.GOV

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https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/heart-problems-after-covid19

 

 

If either of you misinformation conspiracy want to discuss these issues sensibly - go for it

Put crap up - I'll treat it as such

Edited September 30, 2022 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

On 30/12/2020 at 13:24, brassnecked said:

Partamedic mate saw the Info sheet for healthcare professionals and said no way was he having the Pfizer jab.

 

read the one for paracetamol?

.. or bisodol?

[tobyjugg2]

Lets put this in clear terms

 

* Vaccination has shown a very very very very small incidence of some heart issues in a tiny tiny number of people. Horrible for those very few affected, but well understood and mitigations on hand since identified with only a very very few of the very very very few affected having any long term issues.

 

* Covid infection has shown significant impacts on heart, central nervous system, brain, blood, lungs and immune system generally, including digestion issues, just some of the wide range of serious issues are being flagged as long covid (commonly with a rather strange clotting issue) - and these effects are in thousands and thousands and thousands of people including God knows how many actual deaths - but a LOT.

 

The scientific evidence supporting this is extensive, conclusive and overwhelming.

 

 

Edited September 30, 2022 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

body where my mouth is:

I've today had my flu jab and bivalent moderna booster jab

 

Nothing untoward to report.

[tobyjugg2]

An interesting summary/introduction to the 'opposite of the anti vaxer conspiracy garbage

(in that its concepts and examples are both true and carefully considered from a moral aspect)

 

Should we tell stories of vaccine sceptics who have died of COVID?

WWW.GAVI.ORG

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The news is full of stories of people who refused the jab who died of COVID.

 

 

We have already seen the official and credible stats on unvaccinated hospitalisations and deaths

Edited October 1, 2022 by tobyjugg2

[brassnecked]

Isn't that article from last year TJ? things might have changed a bit, but heigh ho that new vaccine might help do what its intended to do. keep  covid in check over winter

[tobyjugg2]

It wasnt intended as a comment on the latest vaccines, just comment on the rights and wrongs of using the reality of ant-vaxxers getting sick and dying and perhaps consider it in comparison to anti-vaxxers posting crap and potentially 'encouraging/deceiving others into that situation?

 

eg Should unpleasant truths regarding people suffering be used to counter the disinformation that might create those horrible situations?

Yes, is my opinion.

 

 

[brassnecked]

Just for reference no opinion either way, it seems there is dissent in the ranks .