Mutating Corona Virus

[tobyjugg2]

The huge thing with the covid infected rats in our sewers is mutations, and that due to UK water companies, their faeces are illegally flowing into our waterways along with our own,

 

Thats thanks to completely ineffectively managed and regulated water companies whose primary focus is profits and senior 'management' bonuses, which of course mean 'spend as little as possible on infrastructure to maximise profit

 

 

[honeybee13]

Ministers have misled Parliament over the size of the VIP lane for PPE. The Good Law Project has been given a huge data leak that shows there were more companies than they said and the value of the extra 18 contracts is nearly 1bn sterling. Shocking stuff, according to Jolyon.

 

Revealed: Ministers have misled Parliament about the size of the VIP lane - Good Law Project

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Good Law Project has seen documents showing the Government misled Parliament, the National Audit Office and the High Court about the size of...

 

[brassnecked]

Went to chemist to pick up my wife's prescription, was a guy an elderly farmer it turned out' in the queue he was coughing people were moving away from him at warp 9, he was apologising profusely explaining he had 2 pfizer, but had clots on his lungs after his moderna booster. Said GP reckoned it was the mixing of jab that did it, hopefully he is OK.  He's only one I have seen mentioning anything beyond mild effects after a jab.

[honeybee13]

Poor man, I hope he gets better soon. It's a shame he had no one to go to the chemist for him.

[brassnecked]

Hopefully GP had prescribed something to help and he was picking it up.

[tobyjugg2]

It is possible, if highly unlikely, and if the vaccine did cause it

(I also had the moderna booster but after 2 AZ which along with JJ was the jabs which were reported as having the highest incidence)

- then its VERY liikely the old boy wouild have had far more serious effects from a bout of Covid.

 

The great issue is inflammation, with the extreme being a cytokine storm. Covid itself of course causes inflammation.

So if the jab caused inflammation, then Covid itself almost certainly would have caused the same or more likely FAR worse.

 

I've long said I thought more jabs with smaller doses of vaccine seems to be the best way health wise, but actually getting people jabbed likely defines higher doses as more 'real world' effective

 

 

That Johnsons antics right at the start with the attempt at the great personal medical data ripoff tied in with the app, and the well dodgy claims re the AZ vaccine started the UK ball of on the wrong foot, which gave the conspiracy nuts some real fuel for their gaslight fires

Edited February 8, 2022 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

Oh and regarding people coughing and sneezing in supermarkets - I had a maskless one do that next to me

- I told them to F*** off to a reasonable distance and get a mask on

 

They said 'I've go asthma

I said, like f*** you have and if you had, you'd be wearing a mask as covid would almost certainly kill you - now take your sneezes away from me you selfish Piers Morgan

 

I have 2 friends with quite severe asthma one has had had the injections and they changed his life, the other is now looking at getting them. Both wear masks conscientiously for their and others benefit.

 

- my O/H has mild asthma and only occasionally needs an inhaler when certain pollen is around.

Edited February 8, 2022 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

3 hours ago, brassnecked said:

Went to chemist to pick up my wife's prescription, was a guy an elderly farmer it turned out' in the queue he was coughing people were moving away from him at warp 9, he was apologising profusely explaining he had 2 pfizer, but had clots on his lungs after his moderna booster. Said GP reckoned it was the mixing of jab that did it, hopefully he is OK.  He's only one I have seen mentioning anything beyond mild effects after a jab.

 

Can you PM me the name of the GP that said that to a patient please

I'll report him (or her)

 

= more likely the old boy was BSing or gaslighting, but worth an email

 

 

Just pulled this link out of my saved

COVID vaccines and blood clots: what researchers know so far

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Scientists are trying to understand why a small number of people develop a mysterious clotting disorder after receiving a COVID jab. Scientists are...

 

Edited February 8, 2022 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

Just a little more detail challenging the points of the current whining of the Oxford professor that 'unjust' criticism of the AZ vaccine may have caused thousands of deaths.

 

1. The app was intended as a public medical data grab and sell

- complete lack of honesty and professionalism

 

2. The vaccine was 'authorised' on a handful of test subjects, with the results blatantly over sold. They were OK, but trust was again breached

- complete lack of honesty and professionalism

 

3. The UK crapped on the EU, where half was manufactured and tried to keep it all for themselves apart from an attempt to sneak some manufactured in the EU to Australia - to try to convince them to give Boris a good trade deal - the EU crapped back on the UK as it had little to gain and much to lose using a vaccine controlled by a demonstrated enemy, and Australia crapped on Truss and Johnson over the trade deal

- complete lack of honesty and professionalism - and common and business sense

 

4. The UK then decided to use India, one of its alleged brexit pals to mass produce the vaccine - who in true Brexiter fashion - decided to keep the vaccine for themselves

 

5. Then the clotting issue - which just piled doubt on doubt, just as Johnsons government did.

 

6. The AZ test data NEVER has met the USA's requirements.

Edited February 8, 2022 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

Johnson & Johnson has quietly shut down a crucial plant producing its Covid vaccine.

- Inde

[tobyjugg2]

Anyone want to list the issues with this - or perhaps just the one main one which throws everything else into question?

 

 

UK minister apologises for continuing meeting after positive Covid test | Coronavirus | The Guardian

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Health minister Gillian Keegan says she should have immediately ended the meeting when she got lateral flow result

 

 

As I dont expect an answer - here is the primary issue

 

W.T.heck was she doing in a close contact meeting BEFORE the results of the lateral flow test she took to enable a covid safe close contact meeting?

[honeybee13]

I agree, TJ, but she did at least apologise. I hope she meant it.

 

Meanwhile, Peston says he hasn't found anyone from the SAGE and Nervtag who thinks there was scientific advice to stop self-isolation for people testing positive. The consensus is that it's political, to keep Tory backbenchers happy.

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

Its just to get the ERG/hard right a bit more on side. Thats the only 'science' involved.

[tobyjugg2]

Just my thoughts on the origins of sars cov-2

 

Although cov2 is not found as is in bats (Horseshoe bats) ALL the components that make cov2 from other cov variants have been found in horseshoe bats

 

There is NO clarity on how it passed to humans.

Theories are via: Pangolins,snakes, civit cats, and other felines ... (often declared due to aspects of the genetics of the virus)  but there is no certainty as yet.

Some think its direct via the horseshoe bat being eaten as delicacy - as it is in the regions where it broke out, but the genetics seem to declare otherwise from what I understand. More than happy to be corrected.

 

Understanding that horseshoe bats are NOT vampire bats, and largely eat insects .. so they aren't landing on animals and biting them as far as I am aware .. (happy to be corrected)

... there seems to me to be two things to be considered

 

1. Bat feces are collected used as fertilizer in many regions - bringing the bat feces into contact not only with humans, but animals roaming around the fields where that bat guano is used

 

2. Bat Fleas, which do bite.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

Heart-disease risk soars after COVID

Even a mild case of COVID-19 can increase a person’s risk of cardiovascular problems for at least a year after diagnosis, show data from the United States. Researchers found that rates of many conditions, such as heart failure and stroke, were substantially higher in people who had recovered from COVID-19 than in similar people who hadn’t had the disease. “It doesn’t matter if you are young or old, it doesn’t matter if you smoked, or you didn’t,” says study co-author Ziyad Al-Aly. “The risk was there.”

Nature | 4 min read
Reference: Nature Medicine paper

 

 

 

On dose sizes

 

 

Pfizer:

In December the company said that in a two-shot trial of children aged two to four its vaccine, which had a dosage of 3 micrograms, did not generate a strong enough immune response to the virus.

(Note: I haven't sanity checked this report)

[honeybee13]

Here are Will Hutton's thought on the dropping of anti-covid measures.

 

Like most, I relish life opening up. But this libertarian dash for the Covid exit is reckless | Will Hutton | The Guardian

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Will the end of restrictions usher in a change in Britons’ behaviour, or will we continue to live by our own calculations of pleasure and risk?

 

[unclebulgaria67]

Hopefully the Governments risky strategy will work and Covid will remain a mild virus for most.

 

But there has been information in the media about new variants which are under investigation and also worrying increase in deaths in Israel, where they had similar vaccination rates as UK.

 

When I speak to people who are against vaccination and for dealing with Covid similar to flu/colds, they believe number of Covid daily deaths is likely to be people old or with health conditions where they would have died anyway from say getting flu. 

 

And I am hearing some health experts saying UK close to herd immunity.  But immunity against what exactly?  Is this against all forms of Coronavirus ?

 

 

 

 

[honeybee13]

I wouldn't be surprised if the immunity there is doesn't work against all the variants. My other question is how long natural immunity from infection actually lasts compared with vaccinations.

[unclebulgaria67]

I have heard a few health experts talk about immunity, Covid infection versus vaccination.  The consensus, is that they don't really know for sure.  Most say you are best to have had vaccinations, as they should prevent serious illness for about 6 months. And having Covid may also provide protection, but mostly upper respiratory system and not so much if Covid re-infection manages to penetrate further.

[tobyjugg2]

Its no secret, no-one has much of a clue what the next strain will do, let alone the ones after.

 

“The Omicron variant did not come from the Delta variant. It came from a completely different part of the virus’s family tree. And since we don’t know where in the virus’s family tree a new variant is going to come from, we cannot knoW how pathogenic it might be. It could be less pathogenic but it could, just as easily, be more pathogenic,”

- epidemiologist Prof Mark Woolhouse, of Edinburgh University.

 

“People seem to think there has been a linear evolution of the virus from Alpha to Beta to Delta to Omicron,” he told the Observer. “But that is simply not the case. The idea that virus variants will continue to get milder is wrong. A new one could turn out to be even more pathogenic than the Delta variant, for example.”

- virologist Prof Lawrence Young of Warwick University.

 

“There will be more variants after Omicron and if they are more transmissible they will dominate. In addition, they may cause different patterns of illness, in other words they may turn out to be more lethal or have more long-term consequences.”

- David Nabarro, a special envoy on Covid-19 for the World Health Organization

 

 

Next Covid strain could kill many more, warn scientists ahead of England restrictions ending | Coronavirus | The Guardian

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Demands grow for government science chiefs to reveal evidence backing move to lift last protective measures

 

Edited February 13, 2022 by tobyjugg2

[honeybee13]

Christina Pagel has put her thoughts about 'going back to normal' into a Twitter thread. Interesting reading.

 

 

 

[honeybee13]

The i newspaper thinks the number of covid cases is being under-reported. I think one of the Sage/Indie Sage statisticians said numbers were likely to be higher than government figures as well.

 

180,000 Covid infections per day still being missed from Government figures

INEWS.CO.UK

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An average of 101,000 cases of coronavirus per day were recorded from January 16 to 22, according to the Government's Covid-19 dashboard. But it...

 

[tobyjugg2]

Just had a surprising incident

 

Coming out of Aldi this morning, two older women (65+ or really let things go) chatting right against and between the entrance and exit doors with masks (literally)  over their chins

 

One was saying as I went past a foot away (no choice other than ask them to move):

are you ill?

other - no just test positive

 

.. and they toddled into the store with masks over their chins ..

... and given that almost all the ALDI staff have not been wearing masks for many weeks claiming exemptions

 

 

 

 

Edited February 15, 2022 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

Interesting this for a number of reasons, especially the report that vaccinations AFTER having Covid and while suffering from long covid, improves the condtion of long covid sufferers

.. I have not done ANY checks on this report, but if true and not a placebo effect, then it perhaps opens the door for a new understanding of the interactions

 

Vaccinated people less likely to get long Covid than unvaccinated, new study shows

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Review finds those who have received two doses of Pfizer/BioNTech, AstraZeneca or Moderna vaccine, or one dose of single-shot J&J vaccine...

 

UK Health Security Agency catalogue › Details for: The effectiveness of vaccination against long COVID: A rapid evidence briefing

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https://ukhsa.koha-ptfs.co.uk/cgi-bin/koha/opac-retrieve-file.pl?id=fe4f10cd3cd509fe045ad4f72ae0dfff

Edited February 18, 2022 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

additional

 

 

Association between vaccination status and reported incidence of post-acute COVID-19 symptoms in Israel: a cross-sectional study of patients tested between March 2020 and November 2021

WWW.MEDRXIV.ORG

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medRxiv - The Preprint Server for Health Sciences

 

 

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.01.05.22268800v2.full.pdf

Edited February 18, 2022 by tobyjugg2