Mutating Corona Virus

[brassnecked]

Gething in Wales is wittering about compulsory vaccinations even if vaccine not tested or licensed, he might yet lock Wales down entirely and ban travel in and out of England. Bet Bill Gates would love him.  he needs a distraction from his polio vaccine causing polio in Africa.

[unclebulgaria67]

Had a laptop for a month, but required to work from office.   First day working from home as a trial and I can see why people like it.   Two minutes commute to work.  But supply of coffee nearer as well a food supplies, so it could become unhealthy.   The plan is to do a mixture of office and home based working. 

 

Virus numbers looking worrying and a full lockdown quite possible.  So if this happens, then I can see most people wanting to work from home all of the time.  But I work in the public sector, so our health and safety appears to be decided by Downing Street.

[tobyjugg2]

Not just coffee and food

The loss of the movement/exercise (however stressful) in travel to work is a MAJOR issue.

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

Heres a little test for cjregg spicer as he claims the rule of 6 is straightforward

 

As he says he is ignoring me - clearly to continue avoiding answering these straight forward sort of challenges to his regurgitated handcockian and Boris the Liar claims delivered from his white-wash house,

I would suggest anyone just fires this at him rather than rise to his continuous bait. He's answered few enough questions fired at him regarding his effort and support free sound bites.

 

A simple social grouping of 6 households, an entirely normal mix of family and friends, who normally socialise and support each other (fetching/taking kids to/from school, looking after kids and watching out for grandparent while rest of family working etc etc)

Working age adults - Some at workplace, one on furlow, some home working.

Kids are in various years/bubbles at 2 local schools

Most would put CofE on forms religeon wise, less than half would put none.

A number are members of social/sporting clubs which allow guests

 

1 with 3 members

2 with 4 members

1 with 5 members

1 with 6 members (including a grandparent still active and in fairly good health age and medications considered)

1 with 7 members

 

As cjregg claims its all straightforward and doesn't change

Where, when, how and why can or cant some or all of them meet?

 

[cjcregg]

18 hours ago, hightail said:

IF it gets clarified quickly.  How long did it take for all those charges to be dropped which had been brought under the new legislation, not one of which was legit.  The one case which could have stuck because it was someone deliberately travelling whilst infected was Cummings but excuses were made for him whilst others were wrongly charged.

 

Why is the public being blamed for the increase in infection rate when Boris was adamant that people should get back to work?  The demographic of those infected this time round includes a significant number of relatively young women, the very people in the kind of jobs which expose them to a high viral load - underpaid and undervalued jobs in the main. How blameworthy are they?  MPs did a pretty good job of spreading it around at start but nobody suggested it was their own fault.

 

I'm not sure what what dropped charges you mean but whether measures are just recommendations, rules or enforceable laws, surely people should be complying regardless shouldn't they? 

 

Where did the government 'blame' the public? Matt Hancock said ''the rise in cases in Bolton is partly due to socialising by people in their 20s and 30s, we know this from contact tracing''. That's not attributing blame, it's identifying a cause. But here on the bitch-fest that is this thread, facts don't seem to matter much.

 

Edited September 24, 2020 by cjcregg

[tobyjugg2]

https://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-radio/1333177/Piers-Morgan-rant-Matt-Hancock-blame-public-Covid-testing-symptoms-GMB-ITV-video

 

Piers Morgan erupts as Matt Hancock blames PUBLIC over Covid test shortage

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

 

CJregg reports from the White Washing House

 

 

 

Rather than alt-facts try facts:

 

21 hours ago, tobyjugg2 said:

Heres the sort of justifications Handcock uses for his actions and blaming the victims of his failures:

 

"I've even heard stories of people saying 'I'm going on holiday next week therefore I'm going to go get a test'. No. That's not what the testing system is there for."

 

Not science, not even claims of personal experience,

Nothing more than a claim of hearsay regarding a few people allegedly wanting to get tested before they go somewhere

 

- actually seems pretty responsible to me to want to be sure you aren't going to spread COVID

- shame that Handcocks actually claimed test capacity is a vastly overstated pile of lies

 

 

Oh, and whats another Handcockian excuse?

'You are getting all the 'in contact' children tested when theres a positive case ..

... Its waisting tests ... on children who have been exposed eh?

 

 

Edited September 24, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

In June Boris Johnson told the country it was our patriotic duty to go to the pub (and spread the coronavirus):

that having been an effective message, the government is now mandating the early closure of pubs and restaurants in what is being called a “curfew”, as though it were the public and not the government who were a bunch of unruly children.

- Steven Poole

 

 

and Some real-world Facts from around the world

- to counter cjcregg alt-facts/no-facts soundbites from the whitewashing house

 

Covid mutations including more infectious strains and a strain which appears far more infectious in a major US metropolitan area

- but it is still likely the case that only one vaccine will be needed - so far.

 

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2020/08/coronavirus-five-out-of-six-covid-19-subtypes-are-getting-more-infectious-study.html

 

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/new-research-indicates-growing-prevalence-of-possibly-more-infectious-coronavirus-strain-in-houston-area-2020-09-24

 

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20200924/Molecular-analysis-of-COVID-19s-second-wave-shows-mutant-viruses-linked-to-rapid-spread.aspx

 

https://bgr.com/2020/09/03/coronavirus-immunity-study-iceland-antibodies-duration/

 

https://www.health24.com/Medical/Infectious-diseases/Coronavirus/covid-19-study-suggests-one-vaccine-would-be-enough-for-all-coronavirus-strains-20200903

[honeybee13]

This article compares how wee Nicola treats the Scots over Covid and how Boris is talking to the English. Interesting.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/sep/25/johnson-sturgeon-public-compliance

[tobyjugg2]

Yes, quite distinct difference

Scotlands first minister does seem to quite clearly demonstrate she understands the reasons, the personal situations and have real sympathy in stark contrast to Johnson the Liar and Handcock

 

and I note MP's are still getting away with breaking rules when they should be both leading by, and punished as examples

 

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/dups-sammy-wilson-caught-on-camera-without-face-mask-on-public-transport-39559186.html

 

Despite clearly being shown sat reading something, with more reading matter readily available, Wilson claims he only 'momentarily took his mask off to answer a telephone call and 'denied witness claims he did not wear a mask for the entirety of his tube journey from Westminster to Heathrow

 

Wilson has repeatedly railed against face masks 'muzzles' and declared himself being reported as “like East Germany under the Stasi”

 

 

 

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/dups-sammy-wilson-caught-on-camera-without-face-mask-on-public-transport-39559186.html

 

Interesting that honourable MP's and even some advisors have resigned for less.. Nicola Sturgeons' for example.

Edited September 26, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

Latest (available) government testing figures for 10-september-to-16-september (10 days ago)

 

"587,173 people were newly tested, consistent with the previous week but an increase of 30% compared to the end of August."

 

*** Which works out to UNDER 84,000 people a day being tested that appears to be collapsing Handcock, Dido and Sercos Trace-a-test

- 30% up from only around 65,000 People tested a day at the end of August

 

.. for a claimed 240,000-300,000 'capacity which has and is collapsing when even a 3x increase in people being tested should be within the long and still claimed 'capacity

 

Given the lack of newer figures - they cant be anything to shout about eh?

 

So my prior estimates of around 60,000 climbing more recently to 75,000 were over estimates; but right in the ball park; and only exceeded in the last few weeks or so.

 

Info buried under multiple links

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/nhs-test-and-trace-england-and-coronavirus-testing-uk-statistics-10-september-to-16-september-2020/weekly-statistics-for-nhs-test-and-trace-england-and-coronavirus-testing-uk-10-september-to-16-september

Edited September 26, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[honeybee13]

It gets worse if this Twitter thread is right. The much-trumpeted NHS app will only take the results of privaye tests. How does that help?

 

 

[honeybee13]

This is from the Guardian live feed at 13.40.

 

England’s troubled and much-delayed NHS Covid app does not accept test results processed in the country’s government-run laboratories, hospitals or as part of an official survey, officials have admitted.

The app’s official account said on Twitter it could not link to test results taken in Public Health England (PHE) laboratories, at the National Health Service (NHS) or as part of a survey run by the Office for National Statistics (ONS).

[tobyjugg2]

So what is the point?

 

+ I was looking the other day

The data processors for the app:

1. NHS Professionals, (which is providing registered medical professionals to help contact people who test positive for coronavirus to identify their close contacts (NOT #RealNHS and since making a profit from the #RealNHS the Tories have been trying to sell off cheap to the private sector))
2. Serco UK, which is providing staff to call the contacts of people who test positive and provide guidance on self-isolation
3. SITEL Group, which is also providing staff to call the contacts of people who test positive and provide guidance on self-isolation
4. NHS Business Services Authority, which is sending text messages and developing management information reports
5. Amazon Web Services, which is providing the secure UK-based storage location for the contact-tracing service information
6. The Cabinet Office, which provides the GOV.UK Notify service used to send contact-tracing texts and emails
7. Kainos, which is assisting with the operation of the contact-tracing website system

https://contact-tracing.phe.gov.uk/help/privacy-notice

 

Of course, some of those are 'registered' and host services in the USA so are beholden to USA data release rules.

[brassnecked]

The app is a chocolate fireguard and data miner if stuff on US servers.

[honeybee13]

So are we still thinking we wouldn't want to sign up to this?

[brassnecked]

Looks like its too buggy at the moment.

[honeybee13]

Buggy and Big Brother from what you said.

 

Is Wales going to have a different system, BN?

[brassnecked]

No same app, and a testing regime thats seriously broken, try to book a test locally, get offered Inverness an 850 mile round trip, £400 rail fare if you need to go same day or next, or Cardiff 400 mile round  trip, 5 hours each way on train or by car.

[tobyjugg2]

so were's the 240,000 tests carried out a day vs the 80,000 people tested?

 

 

[cjcregg]

2 hours ago, honeybee13 said:

This is from the Guardian live feed at 13.40.

 

England’s troubled and much-delayed NHS Covid app does not accept test results processed in the country’s government-run laboratories, hospitals or as part of an official survey, officials have admitted.

The app’s official account said on Twitter it could not link to test results taken in Public Health England (PHE) laboratories, at the National Health Service (NHS) or as part of a survey run by the Office for National Statistics (ONS).

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

The app doesnt work with pre android 6 or the very common older apple phones either does it

[brassnecked]

No and many older peope will have Feature Phones that don't run apps just WAP and 2G

[tobyjugg2]

Shame the numpties wasted so many months and so much public trust (and money) on their track the plebs and sell their data app V1

 

 

oops the echos back

Hello .. hello ... hello

Edited September 26, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[honeybee13]

There's a campaign against Serco and in favour of local public health people. Apologies for one bit of language but it's a memorable slogan.

 

https://twitter.com/i/status/1309910583790252037