Mutating Corona Virus

[tobyjugg2]

Given the blatantly obvious state of false reporting in the covid testing system and stats

... Someone (investigative reporter) must have spotted that bit of the cover up leaving Handcock no options but to 'fess up to that small bit.

 

What was a recent claim?

18 million brits tested - utter dangly bits - bet 1.8 million is far nearer the true figure.

 

Edited October 5, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

26 minutes ago, honeybee13 said:

The Mail have got hold of an advance copy of Amnesty's report due out shortly. It's damning about how care home residents were treated by HMG.

 

• EXCLUSIVE: UK Government's pandemic policies 'violated the fundamental human rights of vulnerable older people in care', Amnesty report claims
• Measures exposed elderly residents to Covid then blocked them from care
• Ministers 'know from the outset' that the virus posed 'exceptional danger' to 400,000 residents of UK care homes, many of whom are vulnerable
• Care home residents were subjected to 'inhuman and degrading' treatment
• Report says UK Government is 'directly responsible' for the care home tragedy 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8801287/Coronavirus-UK-Care-home-policies-exposed-residents-virus-BLOCKED-medical-care.html

 

and the recent policy reminder sent out - shown higher in thread shows they still are.

 

 

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/files/2020-10/Care Homes Report.pdf?

Care Homes Report.pdf

Edited October 5, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[brassnecked]

That Amnesty report shows how absolute criminal negligence and disregard for public safety was part of protecting the NHS, and turning general hospitals into fountains of infection rather than control, excluding all non covid emergencies. hancock and his muppet scientists with their dodgy flu data used to predict SARS  should be in a cell awaiting trial for Corporate manslaughter, or Misfeance in Public Office..

[tobyjugg2]

testing issues resolved

 

 

 

Gallons of red wine being shipped on emergency basis to care homes and schools

 

In excess of 10 million tests per day expected to start from today.

 

 

Updated Breaking News

Shortages of Red wine and toilet paper reported

rationing imposed.

Edited October 5, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

Summary of amnesty report on appalling and inhuman Johnson Government policies which focuses on the impact of policies on care homes

 

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2020/10/uk-older-people-in-care-homes-abandoned-to-die-amid-government-failures-during-covid-19-pandemic/

 

 

and lets not forget that the policy has improved/changed little.. see higher in thread

Edited October 5, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

hey amnesty handcock still at it

No wonder Johnson 'The Liar' wants out of human rights act

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

https://scienceblog.com/518856/conversation-quickly-spreads-droplets-more-than-six-feet-inside-buildings/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+scienceblogrssfeed+(ScienceBlog.com)

 

Not looking good for schools - especially as in the three schools I'm aware of class sizes are the same as they were before the pandemic - although there is greater hygene measures and mingling at lunchtimes is very restricted.

 

"In an article published Sept. 25 in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, the researchers concluded that for interior activities, normal conversations can spread exhaled material at least far as, if not beyond, social distancing guidelines recommended by the World Health Organization (1 meter) and U.S. officials (2 meters, or about 6 feet). The work examined particle flow in an interior space without good ventilation.

Stone and Abkarian stressed that they are not public health experts and are not making medical recommendations. However, they said public health officials should consider the aerodynamic movement of aerosolized particles generated by speech alone as an important factor for directed spreading."

 

"The researchers also said that while masks do not completely block the flow of aerosols, they play a critical role in disruption of the “jet-like” air flow from a speaker’s mouth, preventing the quick transport of droplets farther than one foot."

 

 

So I'm still of the opinion that Handcock and Johnson 'The Liar' are throwing our kids and families under the covid bus.

No temperature checks

No regular tests - or any tests at all for many - and those that get a test Handcock seems to rue as 'wasted/unnecessary.

No reduced class sizes to allow better distancing

Largely - nothing.

[tobyjugg2]

On 05/10/2020 at 09:08, honeybee13 said:

I haven't got to grips with the 'technical glitch' that held up test reporting - what went on there?

 

John Ashton or someone on his Twitter feed was saying that the delay means 15,000 people haven't been traced and advised to self-isolate if they need to, so could have spread the virus further.

 

 

Britain’s embarrassing Excel spreadsheet blunder

In the latest stumble for Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s beleaguered test-and-trace program, nearly 16,000 positive test results for the coronavirus between Sept. 25 and Oct. 2 were improperly recorded, because of a routine data-entry error — Excel files containing the names of people who tested positive were too large to transfer to a central computer system.

As well as producing an artificially low picture of the virus’s spread and delaying efforts to trace those at risk, the botched numbers resulted in yet more criticism for the Johnson government. More than 57,000 people have died from the virus in Britain, the highest number in Europe. The country is now facing a second wave of infections. - NYT     Looks like the 'upgrade of capacity' - literally in the spreadsheet  ..   - the spreadsheet updated presumably so Johnson and Handcock were only misleading rather than outright lying about 'capacity' went a bit wrong - leaving them as liars, deceivers and utterly incompetent .. rather than 'just' deceivers. Seems MS excel managed but they forgot to upgrade the trace a test system - apparently causing a mismatch which then wasn't trapped.

Edited October 6, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[honeybee13]

An international group of scientists have suggested letting younger people resume normal life and making anyone vulnerable stay at home, pretty much. Dr Gupta of Oxford is pro-herd immunity from what I've read.

 

Three of the remarks from scientists on the other side of the debate are interesting.

 

Professor Hanage from Harvard says the plan ignores Long Covid in young people. Professor Gonsalves of Yale says With nearly half of the population having some underlying health risk for Covid-19, he said herd immunity strategies were about “culling the herd of the sick and disabled. It’s grotesque.”

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/06/scientists-call-for-herd-immunity-covid-strategy-for-young?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

 

And this is Dr Gabriel Scally on Twitter. These ‘scientists’ are totally lacking in humanity. They advocate “survival for the fittest” and virtual imprisonment for the vulnerable and older people. They also ignore Long COVID, and the risk of long term effects of infection which seems harmless now.

 

[tobyjugg2]

They are also missing the long term nerve/neurological damage issues seen resulting as part of a covid infection which go beyond what has currently been associated with 'long covid'

 

I've read a few articles, but I think this one puts it in a more 'known' perspective

 

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20200923/Silent-wave-of-neurological-consequences-may-be-on-its-way-due-to-COVID-19.aspx

 

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

Lets also look at another aspect which I have raised here in slightly more detail

 

The stains of Covid and their transmission rates

 

No hard scientific evidence I've seen so far, BUT it unlikely to be a coincidence that in areas of highest/least controlled outbreak - like metropolitan areas of the USA already referenced here, the strains are mutating to transmit themselves more 'effectively'

 

More Virus, more hosts, more unbroken lines of transmission (aka generations)  = more mutations

(the Covid-19 mutation rate on transmission IS a scientific fact)

 

[tobyjugg2]

I see Baker and the ERG are railing against their slaves not working until they drop ..

'we should isolate the vulnerable and let the slaves get back to earning us profit .. says baker

 

Are we in a f***ing timewarp (excuse my anger)

Thats what Johnson said in Feb after which he locked down care homes, didn't supply ppe, didn't test anyone

and sent infected people back into the locked down homes  ... as he still is.

 

Now we have

* rampant lying test figures

* a collapsed test AND test CHEMICAL supply chain reducing tests availability and capability - even PRE the expected brexit chaos

-  all tests including blood tests not just covid tests

*The outbreak expanding

all nicely ready for the flu season

and this Piers Morgan says lets go around again !!!

 

Maybe he wants to ship all the vulnerable into the ocean liners as nobody else wants to pay for them the taxpayer can - Bonus (in his eyes)

Then ship everyone POOR who tests positive into them ..

 

Insanity Is Doing the Same Thing Over and Over Again and Expecting Different Results

Seeing a big expansion in the covid is a government con, its just a cold,  it doesn't exist, its 5g stuff - even books being sent out and referred in science blog newsletters

absolutely bonkers

 

Edited October 8, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

More on the excel foobar

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/coronavirus-missing-tests-microsoft-excel-matt-hancock-b859322.html

 

... Capacity '65,000 lines with 13 year old spreadsheet software

... when the private sector are getting 10B - about 100 times the yearly total budget of the UK's local infectious disease trace service ..

 

with 15,000 plus 'truncated ... aka around 80,000 positive tests is well beyond the systems 'capacity

... and its 6 months in before they realise that in the '300,000 a day 'capacity' system

... perhaps in line with the the falling availability of tests due to the supply chain issues for chemicals

 

Edited October 8, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[brassnecked]

maybe should have used Access.................

[tobyjugg2]

Well my version of Office is later than the one they use, so no upgrade costs

.. and I could fail to deliver, and perhaps even actually deliver more that Serco et al ... for only £1B

..... a saving of £9B to the British taxpayer

 

and Johnson and Handcock can blame me all they like in their meaningless presentations ... I wouldn't mind.

I'd be following in Johnson seniors footsteps and naffing off abroad ,, for a haircut .. by whatever means suited.

Edited October 8, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[brassnecked]

Short and to the point pete North dissects the UKGov responses.

https://www.turbulenttimes.co.uk/news/corona/a-confluence-of-failures/

[honeybee13]

He's not very happy this week, is he, BN? I haven't read today's blog yet.

[brassnecked]

No pete is in full get a grip of throat mode, as Dr North is in hospital recovering from an operation delayed by Covid and the NHS being now the NCS (nationalCovid Service)

[honeybee13]

Yes, I noticed Richard had gone quiet, I hope he recovers soon.

 

I read Pete's blog and agree with everything he said today.

[honeybee13]

The Great Barrington Declaration I mentioned in post #1586 is being attacked by a large number of mainstream scientists. This is an article by the president of the UK's Academy of Medical Sciences who disagrees strongly.

 

https://acmedsci.ac.uk/more/news/navigating-covid-19-through-the-volume-of-competing-voices

 

Meanwhile people have spotted  a lot of dodgy names on the Declaration that anyone can sign: Coroh Navirus, Cominic Dummings of Durham, Dr Harold Shipman... So it doesn't have 15,000 scientists supporting it.

[tobyjugg2]

herd immunity/its 5g/its nowt - Is rather like the 'list of international scientists' who claim the earth is cooling and/or that global warming has nothing to do with man and so theres nowt we can or should do about it

 

aka almost total Barrington b***ocks of Bow to paraphrase the old song

(lies are often based on small nuggets of truth - heavily massaged, with massive additions of garbage and cooked beyond recognition)

 

but that IS the environment Johnson 'The Liar' and Handcock 'The c*ck' have created, grown and maintained for their own ends,

- so why is it surprising them that their pals the ERG are using that same to their own ends ....

Edited October 10, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[honeybee13]

Interesting you should mention climate change denial, TJ. A journo at the Byline Times has found a link between the outfit in Great Barrington and a billionaire who invests in fossil fuels.

 

https://bylinetimes.com/2020/10/09/climate-science-denial-network-behind-great-barrington-declaration/

[tobyjugg2]

Yes, they have the same goals so are commonly the same people

- maximise their own profit - prevent any regulation/inspection/or even honest information that would affect that

- no matter the cost to anyone else.

 

- and of course the fools who ideologically believe in those ends even if they would suffer like the rest of us and won't even make money from it

 

and Johnson has created an environment where lies and self- serving is not only tolerated, but rewarded - and is now caught between that and generating a massive kickback from a public feeling more and more ostracised and abused by 'the elite' that people like Farage and Johnson 'The Liar' railed against - despite being the utter definitions of such.

[tobyjugg2]

When you consider it

6 months of relative respite have been thrown away with the 'world beating' test and trace system collapsing at little more than 80,000 PEOPLE tested a day, despite claims/lies of over 100,000 a day capacity since April and fantasy claims of 300,000 a day for months with us going into a full winter cold and flu season - not the tail end of one like the start of this year.

... and thats BEFORE the collapse of the chemicals supply needed for all testing covid, blood

 

So the technical solution and proper management has failed - bigtime,

the failures MASSIVELY compounded by Johnson and Handcock lying through their teeth,

 

They still haven't implemented the lower tech solutions like temperature testing which despite its known limitations - would be a significant aid to managing this and future pandemics - including common flu outbreaks - and the complications they will now add.

and have only relatively recently implemented face masks after miss-selling the actual WHO advise as seen here earlier in the thread.

 

So lets Look at the ongoing core failures

 

* Treating the outbreak in its earliest stages as 'nowt to be bothered about' despite the clear evidence to the contrary from China

* Bringing back 18 million people from abroad without testing or monitoring in any real way - seeding the pandemic

 

Nothing can be done now except (fail) to learn the lessons from those two - but other failures are continuing

 

 

* NOT implementing basic temperature checks at key points - trapping about 20-30% of infected spreaders - think how much that could reduce the R number

* Shipping infected people into care homes who were and are desperately short of proper PPE and information

* Turning the NHS into an under-supplied Covid emergency only system - despite spending millions on largely unused nightingale hospitals

* Test Test Test implemented as Lie Lie Lie

* Supporting (to this day) abuses of lockdown rules by the 'Elite' - Cummings, Jenrick, Farage, Johnson snr, Grouse shooters, Stag Hunters while threatening the public with fines - we certainly AREN'T in this together

* Creating this environment where lies are normal, led by the lying elite most thought they were voting out ... They lied.

 

the list of ongoing failures does go on and on and on

 

 

 

 

 

[honeybee13]

It's depressing, TJ.

 

Possibly what upsets me the most is wasting months of respite from the virus when test and trace plus other measures could have been implemented, but it's all awful.

 

We look terrible compared with countries that our politicians seem to look down on and I find our response pathetic.