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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
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Thanks, but I've exhausted every effort for assistance with this. I would be on the street if I was evicted. Would a judge not accept a token payment of what I can afford, or an offer of increased payments when my income increases until the property has sold?

 

 

I note from reading the forum that others have been granted time to assess their income and affordability moving forward - Cannot understand why I would not be given that chance too

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HB is right,  if you need another opinion on this then the very best thing you can do is to contact Shelter they will be open again the the morning it's their job to help people in your situation  https://england.shelter.org.uk/get_help

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The majority of other cases you have read have been where the defendants have been able to offer ta level of payment that a judge considered to be adequate to suspend eviction.

 

Please, please contact Shelter tomorrow

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Why is it not appropriate for you to contact Shelter - they are a marvelous organisation

 

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But Shelter may have another help option for you for court, I know they  can accompany defendants at the hearing and help support the case,  they have a legal team for situations like yours.. don't you think it's worth trying?

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nothing to do with legal aid - its free.

ring them tell them what you are repeatedly telling us here

 

they're the guys that can probably help you are affirm what we are saying is your best route.

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

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are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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What is it exactly they can do to assist me?

 

Sorry if I am repeating myself, but under severe stress and also have various health problems.

 

I am also a stroke survivor and suffered massive brain haemorrhage in 2014 which nearly killed me...

I have some brain damage as a result of the bleeding and cognitive problems and any stress could cause a fatal bleed in brain, so this situation is obviously not good for me

 

People keep mentioning shelter, but no point getting assistance at court if I have no chance of success.. That would only exasperate my health conditions

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They may be able to provide some legal representation at a hearing which could give some weight to what you are trying to achieve

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I feel that would cause more stress and hassle for me at the moment. I have tried many avenues to get legal assistance and is not possible... It would be less stressful and easier for me to defend in court myself. If I had a good chance of success, I would be physically and mentally capable of going to the court myself to defend, but with a slim chance, I see no point in doing that

 

If they affirmed what you have said of hardly any chance of succeeding then that would be a waste of my time and energy and pointless to me

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Some of the replies on here have been so supportive, helpful and encouraging, but quite upset that some feel the need to cause further anxiety & distress with comments such as telling me I am just repeating myself over and over. These comments seem to have been removed now, but were clearly made with intention to cause upset rather than any support. Yes, maybe I do repeat myself. Some of my questions have gone unanswered and am also on several medications which can cause cognitive problems. Just wish people were a bit more mindful of their comments.

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I don't believe any of your questions have been unanswered - I have tried my very best to advise and help you but you always have a reason not to act upon it.   If an eviction notice arrives I will happily help you put in a defence asking for time to sell the property - I would never leave anyone without help - but I always have to be realistic.  It wouldn't be right to give anyone false hope.

 

However  I cannot understand why you refuse to contact Shelter who may be able to sort out rented accommodation for you as well as provide a legal representative in court - when I say they may be able to give "weight" to your case I mean their knowledge of court procedures and hearings will be invaluable when talking to a judge and the lender.  Legal assistance in court is invaluable.

 

However,  if you do nothing - you will be evicted that is fact-  bailiffs will turn up on  the eviction date, you will have to leave and they will secure the property.  You would then have to make arrangements with them to come back at a later date to collect any belongings you haven't already taken with you.

 

Please try to do something to make your situation better.

 

Which area of the country do you live in ? (county)

 

 

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Hi Ell-enn,

 

It may be less costly for me to apply with N244 now rather than wait for an eviction date. Not sure I would have to pay the court fee anyway due to low income.

 

In addition to asking the judge to allow as much time to sell as possible, could I also ask for more time to assess my finances / raise funds towards mortgage payments? 

 

I fell into arrears due to problems with a spinal injury and other health problems which affected my ability to work and also other factors. Since falling into arrears I have also suffered nervous breakdown and am currently taking several medications which affect day-to-day functioning / ability to work. I hope to be off of these medications soon, which would allow me to return to work and resume regular mortgage payments. In the meantime I could maybe offer a small amount towards arrears. I also may be awarded PIP, which would be an additional income, although it may be a couple of months before I would receive that. 

 

I can provide evidence for the judge of property on the market and GP letter. Am I allowed to ask the judge to not allow the lender to add any legal costs to my mortgage account? 

 

Would really appreciate your help with this and what to write on N244, as just don't want to lose my home.

 

 

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OK,  Firstly can you fill in the affixed budget sheet (it calculates automatically as you fill it in) - we will need this to go with your N244.  Let me know when you've done it.

 

We will take this one step at a time,  so everything is clear for you.

 

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I don't believe I always have a reason not to act upon your advice.

I appreciate your advice.

 

I am sure Shelter are great, but have already contacted several organisations and exhausted efforts to get legal representation.

From my understanding Shelter can help find private rented accommodation, which isnt a problem for me to find myself

- They problem is not currently having funds available to rent

- Hence trying to stop/delay eviction.

 

As for legal representation in court, I do not have enough time left to pursue this, so feel it would be best to focus on your assistance with N244 and maybe their might be a duty legal advisor available in court.

 

I don't think i'm doing nothing and trying all I am capable of to make my situation better.

 

Cambridgeshire.    

 

Thank you. Yes I have a printer and will do this as soon as I can.

 

Do I put my current income, or what my income will be when I return to work?

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You put what your current income is - we can deal with what the future income might be in your N244 statement

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Hi Ell-enn,

 

Sorry I have only just seen your reply.

My current income is zero as I am not able to work at the moment due to ill health & several prescription medications.

My family are currently helping me with small amounts of money for food and basic survival

- So not sure what I would put on the I&e form...

 

I was thinking I should put what my normal income & expenditure will be when I am able to return to work, along with offer towards arrears and normal monthly payments, so that the judge can see that I can afford payments in the near future, until property has sold and ask if the judge would allow me some time to return to work on a certain date?

 

I'm not sure what I can put on I&e form otherwise... 

 

Would really appreciate you help. 

 

Hi HB,

 

Thank you for your reply. I am not eligible for any legal aid and cannot afford any legal representation.

 

I have also sought legal assistance on a pro-bono basis, however there is not enough time left now to pursue this and am not eligible due to court hearing already having taken place..

. I think will be better for me to go with assistance from Ell-enn with N244

 

 

 

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We have already explained that Shelter's legal assistance is NOT legal aid - they have a legal team that can accompany you at your court hearing, hopefully you will understand this tine....  they could also find you a place to rent.   Please consider giving them a call

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Agree that contacting the charity Shelter might help you deal with this. They have advisors in most arears of the country and may be able to support you while you are trying to seek a resolution.

 

The other very important aspect is your mental health. You must ensure that you receive help with this. The charity Rethink can help point you in the right direction.

 

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As, already stated, I don't have any money to privately rent anywhere at the moment.

 

I do not feel I have the time to pursue any legal assistance in court through Shelter and as stated before,

 

I think it would be best for me to go forward with your assistance with an N244 now and ask for a duty legal advisor if one available at court.

 

I have replied to your previous reply re budget sheet and await your reply

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