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    • in order for us to help you we require the following information:- Which Court have you received the claim from ? Canterbury If possible please scan redact and upload a full page copy of page 1 of the claim form. ( Name of the Claimant ? Moneybarn No 1   How many defendant's  joint or self ? One Date of issue – top right hand corner of the claim form – this in order to establish the time line you need to adhere to. 29/05/24 Acknowledged by 14/06/24  Defence by 29/06/24  Particulars of Claim PARTICULARS OF CLAIM   1.  By a Conditional Sale Agreement in writing made on 25th August 2022. Between the Claimant and Defendant, the Claimant let to the Defendant on Conditional Sale. A Ford Ranger 3.2 TDCi (200 P S) 4x4 Wildtrack  Double Cab Pickup 3200cc (Sep.2015) Registration No, ******* Chassis number ***************** (“The Vehicle”).  A copy of the agreement is attached   2.  The price of the goods was £15,995.00.  The Initial Rental was £8500.00.  The total charge for credit was £3575.;17 And the balance of £11,070.17 was payable by 59 equal consecutive monthly instalments of £187 63. payable on the 25th of each month.   3.  The following were expressed conditions of the set agreement,   Clause 8: Our Right to End this Agreement  8.1   Subject to sending you the notice as required by law, any of the following events will entitle us to end this Agreement: 8.1.2  You fail to pay the advance payment (if any) or any of the payments as specified on the front page of this agreement or any other sum payable under this Agreement. 8.1.3 If any of the information you have given us before entering into this Agreement or during the term of this Agreement was false 8.1.4 We consider, acting reasonably, that the goods may be in jeopardy or that our rights in the goods may otherwise be prejudiced. 8.1.5 If you die 8.1.6 If a bankruptcy petition is presented against you; if you petition for your own bankruptcy, or make a live arrangement with your creditors or call a meeting of them. 8. 1.7 If in Scotland, you become insolvent or sequestration or a receiver, judicial factor or trustee to be appointed over any of your estate, or effects or suffer an arrestment, charge attachment or other diligence to be issued or levied on any of your estate or effects or suffer any exercise, or threatened exercise of landlords hype hypothec 8.1.8 If you are a partnership, you are dissolved 8.1.9 If the goods are destroyed, lost, stolen and/or treated by the insurer as a total loss in response to an insurance claim. 8.1.10 If we reasonably believe any payment made to us in respect of this Agreement is a proceed of crime. 8.1.11 If steps are taken by us to terminate any other agreement which you have entered into with us.   Clause 9.  Effect of Us Terminating Agreement   9.1 If this Agreement terminates under clause 8 the following will apply 9.1.1 Subject to the rights given to you by law, you will no longer be entitled to possession of the goods and must return them to us to an address as we may reasonably specify, (removing or commencing the removal of any cherished plates) together with a V5 registration certificate, both sets of keys and a service record book. If you are unable or unwilling to return the goods to us then we shall collect the goods and we'll charge you in accordance with clause 10.3 9.1.2 We will be entitled to immediate payment from you for all payments and all other sums do under this agreement at the date of termination 9.1.3 We will sell the goods or public sale at the earliest opportunity once the goods are in a reasonable condition which includes a return of the items listed in clause 7.1.4 9.1.4 We will be entitled to immediate payment from you of the rest of the Total Amount Payable under this agreement less: ( a) A rebate for early settlement ias required by law which will be calculated and notified to you at the time of payment (b) The proceeds of sale of the goods (if any) after deduction of all costs associated with finding you and/or the goods, recovery, refurbishment and repair. Insurance, storage, sale, agents fees, cherished plate removal, replacement keys, costs associated with obtaining service history for the goods and in relation to obtaining a duplicate V5 registration certificate   4, The following are particulars required by Civil Procedure Rules. Rule 7.9 as set out in 7.1 and 7.2 of the associated Practice Direction entitled Hire Purchase Claims:-   a)     The agreement is dated 25 August 2022. And is between Moneybarn No1 Limited  and xxxxxxxxx under agreement number 756050. b)    The claimant was one of the original parties to the agreement. c)    The agreement is regulated under the Consumer Credit Act 1974. d)    The goods claimed Ford Ranger 3.2 TDCi ( 200 PS) 4x4 Wildtrack Double Cab Pickup 3200 cc (Sep2015} Registration No ^^^^^^^ Chassis number ***************** e)     Thw total price of the goods £19570 f)     The paid up sum £1206 5 g)    The unpaid balance of the total price £7505 (to include charges) h)    A default notice was sent to the defendant on 20th February 2024 by Firrst class post i)      The date when the right to demand delivery of the goods accrued 14 March 2024 j)      The amount if any claimed as an alternative to delivery of the goods 7505 22 include charges ]= 5.  A the date of service of the notice the instalments were £562.89 in arrears. 6. By reason of the Termination of the Agreement by the notice, defendant became liable to pay the sum of £7502 7. The date of maturity the agreement is 24th August 2027. 8. Further or  alternative by reasons of  the Defendant breaches of the agreement by failing to pay the said instalments, the Defendant evinced an intention no longer to be bound by the Agreement and repudiated it by the said Notice the claimant accepted that repudiation 9. By reason of such repudiation the claimant has suffered loss and damage.   Total amount payable £19570 Less sum paid or in arrears by the date of repudiation £12064 97 Balance £7505 (to include charges.) ( The claimant will give credit if necessary for the value of the vehicle if recovered.)  The claimant therefore claims 1.    An order for delivery up of the vehicle 2.    The MoneyClaim to be adjourned generally with liberty to restore,  Upon restoration of the MoneyClaim following return or loss of the vehicle. the Claimant will ensure the pre action protocol for debt claims is followed. 3.    Pursuant to s 90 (1)  of the Consumer Credit Act 1974. An order that the Claimant and/or its agents may enter any premises in which the vehicle is situated in order to recover the vehicle should it not be returned by the Defendant 4.    further or alternatively damages 5.    costs.   Statement of truth The Claimant believes that the facts stated in these Particulars of Claim are true. The Claimant understands that the proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes or causes to be made a false statement in the document for verified by statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth. I am duly Authorised by the Claimant to sign these Particulars of Claim signed Dated 17th of April 2024   What is the total value of the claim? 7502   Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? No   Never heard of this   Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No   Did you inform the claimant of your change of address? n/a Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? No   When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? After  Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? In a garage  Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes  Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. Original Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? n/a   Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? They said sent but nor received   Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? None seen   Why did you cease payments? Still Paying,   What was the date of your last payment? Yesterday  31st May 2024   Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No   Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? Yes on 12 Feb 2024   What you need to do now.   Can't scan, will do via another means as you cant have jpg
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    • when did they (who) inform you there was a 'police case' and when was this attained? i will guess the debt is now SB'd as it's UAE 15yrs. have you informed the bsnk ever by email/letter of your correct and current address? you can always ignore anyone else accept the bank,  Block and bounce back all emails. Block any text messages  Ignore any letters unless it's: - a Statutory Demand - a Letter Of Claim - a Court Claimform via Northants bulk.  
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Partial offer rejected - subsequently received scary letter from Court. PLEASE HELP!!


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OK I hop eyou got my email with the link in there to get you started Charlie! I will around and about most of today if you get stuck!!

Allyxia

KEEP FIGHTING FOR YOUR MONEY - EVEN WHEN IT GETS TOUGH

The Banks are somewhere which lends you an umberella when it is sunny, and takes it away when it rains

 

HSBC £1200 - Settled in Full

Cap 1 2 X £100 - Settled in Full

Nationwide £1641 - Settled in Full inc Default and CCJ Removed by Court Order

NatWest £2215.60- Settled in Full and Removed Default Natice

Woolwich £3690 - Settled in Full

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Hello all. I've finally compiled my reply to the court's request for further information. Thank you for all your help!

 

I know it's an imposition but would anyone subscribed to this posting kindly offer to give it the once over for me?? I think it's all there, only I'd really appreciate the reassurance of someone more knowledgeable than myself.

 

I can't put it up here as it's in 2 seperate word files (one's the letter, and the other's the facts and cases I refer to) - but I'm more than happy to mail it to you if you are able to help.

 

Thank you very much,

 

Charlie

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Replied via email and PM charlie!!!

 

Take care!

Allyxia

KEEP FIGHTING FOR YOUR MONEY - EVEN WHEN IT GETS TOUGH

The Banks are somewhere which lends you an umberella when it is sunny, and takes it away when it rains

 

HSBC £1200 - Settled in Full

Cap 1 2 X £100 - Settled in Full

Nationwide £1641 - Settled in Full inc Default and CCJ Removed by Court Order

NatWest £2215.60- Settled in Full and Removed Default Natice

Woolwich £3690 - Settled in Full

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The solicitors have offered me £2k for my claim. The sum i am claiming is £4k. They are saying it is purely to save costs and they accept no liability. I don't know what to do. Are they likely to continue to court or to offer me full amount? My mum and my niece have turned down the first offer and subsequently were paid the full amount - but they don't bank with NatWest.

 

Debbie

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debi jay you need to start you own thread hon and ask your own questions on there.

 

AS soon as youve done that send me a link and I will reply - take care

Allyxia

KEEP FIGHTING FOR YOUR MONEY - EVEN WHEN IT GETS TOUGH

The Banks are somewhere which lends you an umberella when it is sunny, and takes it away when it rains

 

HSBC £1200 - Settled in Full

Cap 1 2 X £100 - Settled in Full

Nationwide £1641 - Settled in Full inc Default and CCJ Removed by Court Order

NatWest £2215.60- Settled in Full and Removed Default Natice

Woolwich £3690 - Settled in Full

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its ok debijay I will Pm you with instructions

 

A forum = a group of threads together in one theme - such as Natwest forum

 

A thread = a new topic started by an individual

 

A post = one of these which you write into to form part of a thread!

 

Hijacking = when you start to ask question or take over somebody elses thread.

 

Dont worry Im sure this time Charlie wont mind.

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Allyxia

KEEP FIGHTING FOR YOUR MONEY - EVEN WHEN IT GETS TOUGH

The Banks are somewhere which lends you an umberella when it is sunny, and takes it away when it rains

 

HSBC £1200 - Settled in Full

Cap 1 2 X £100 - Settled in Full

Nationwide £1641 - Settled in Full inc Default and CCJ Removed by Court Order

NatWest £2215.60- Settled in Full and Removed Default Natice

Woolwich £3690 - Settled in Full

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grizz have you started a new thread yet as I can send you instruction on how to do it if you want!!!

Allyxia

KEEP FIGHTING FOR YOUR MONEY - EVEN WHEN IT GETS TOUGH

The Banks are somewhere which lends you an umberella when it is sunny, and takes it away when it rains

 

HSBC £1200 - Settled in Full

Cap 1 2 X £100 - Settled in Full

Nationwide £1641 - Settled in Full inc Default and CCJ Removed by Court Order

NatWest £2215.60- Settled in Full and Removed Default Natice

Woolwich £3690 - Settled in Full

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Yeah it's cool Debbie - don't worry.

 

For your information Ally and everyone else. I sent off my huge reply (53 pages!) to the Court and also to Cobbetts special delivery the day before yesterday.

 

As suggested on this thread it was a short and sweet letter explaining the statute and case law support for the 3 points they required further info on. Along with the letter I also included a document index detailing the 3 schedules (specifically adressing the 3 issues they wanted elaboration on) along with most of the court bundle.

 

So I also included all prior correspondence, statement of charges, early day motion, OFT summery and acts / statutes etc.

 

Hopefully that'll show the judge (who for some reason has deemed it necessary to write back and ask for extra info despite the fact all prior correspondece was extremely thorough...!) that I'm serious and not just some chancer.

 

What I'm hoping will happen next is that he'll skim through all the documents I sent through, see if have a case, set a court date for some time in the future..... and.... wait for it...

 

Cobbetts will get back to me some time prior to the court date with a full and final settlement.

 

Well that's the general reaction to what I can figure out from reading various other threads.

 

If anyone else has any views or comments on what may happen next, timescales etc - then please don't hold back.

 

Cheers for your help everyone!

 

Charlie

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Excellent replies to Cobbetts guys, I'll be needing those when I eventually get my brother to wake up and get his money back from NW.

18/11/2006 Recieved Statements from Barclays.

20/11/2006 Sent Prelim for return of £575.

27/11/2006 Received offer of £290.

4/12/2006 Sent LBA.

8/1/2007 Filed Small Claim at court.

12/02/2007 Full settlemant from Barclay's.

12/02/2007 LBA sent to Mint.

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Thanks very much!!

 

Couldn't have done it without all the help of the wonderful people here at CAG.

 

Quick update.... Cobbetts sent me a SECOND partial offer, saying they'd never recieved my original rejection letter. I called them and said I'd sent it ages ago and besides, I'd called them a few days earlier, just after I'd sent all my documentation to them and the court (to confirm they'd received it) and they never mentioned anything about not receiving a response to their partial offer. They must have realised as soon as they received the material I'm relying on that I'd rejected their letter.

 

Anyway, I rejected their offer... again. I spoke to the court earlier today and they said a judge will be reviewing my supporting material next Tuesday. I think the options available to him are striking the claim out, asking for further info from me or Cobbetts, or procedding and setting a date for the hearing.

 

Hopefully if he does this, I'll get a full settlement some time soon after.

 

At least I think that's what happens!

 

Anyone care to add as to whether this is right or not??

 

Excellent replies to Cobbetts guys, I'll be needing those when I eventually get my brother to wake up and get his money back from NW.
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Hi, Charlie

"I think the options available to him are striking the claim out, asking for further info from me or Cobbetts, or procedding and setting a date for the hearing."

Well, yep, that seems to cover it - in, out or shake it all about.:)

I think the first of your three options is the least likely, as you've provided more than enough information, now. Cobbetts are the ones who are more likely to be asked for additional info. Keep us posted.

Westy

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Nov 1 2006 Preliminary letter

21 Feb 2007 - cheque arrived for charges+DEBIT interest +Statutory Interest! Hurray!

Read all about it: natwesttookmymoney - v- NatWest

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What can you claim? Vampiress has a good idea:

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/general/69877-what-can-you-claim.html

Anything I say is just a suggestion. I'm a bigmouth, not a lawyer!

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Allyxia and Charlie - sorry not responded before, had technical probs with my PC - got a new one now!! for an update - i received a letter from Corbetts enclosing a copy of their allocation questionnaire they had filed in court and on the last page it said they were asking for a strikeout of the claim as i had not responded by the correct date - this was untrue and on checking with the court i was told they had received my response before corbetts' response! The Court suggested i rang corbetts for clarification. This i did, and reminded them that they knew i had responded duly as THEY had responded to my response!!!! they said it 'was a mistake' and that the paragraph shouldn't have been there and they will be in touch with me soon once they had received further instructions from natwest. I have already declined their offer of £2k (i am claiming £4k) and am hoping they will make me a full offer before xmas!!

 

Once again thanks for all your help - i wouldn't have got this far without it.

 

Debbie

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Dear all, quick update for you.

 

Came back to my inbox on Friday morning to the following email:

 

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Dear Sir,

 

We refer to our telephone conversation of 6 December 2006.

 

We can confirm that our client is prepared to make a full goodwill payment to you in this matter, in full and final settlement, without any admission of liability, in the sum of £1,290.74.

 

Our client is currently raising a cheque from the executive, and we should be in a position to forward the cheque on to you within the next 7-14 days.

 

Yours faithfully

 

Cobbetts LLP

 

Lynsey Burgoyne

 

 

- - - - -

 

So huge thank you to everyone for all your help.

 

Just goes to show that if you're fully prepared, and stand your ground - then you can get everything you're claiming. Plus the Money Programme show shown on BBC2 last week can only serve to strengthen our case.

 

Oh and for anyone who may think this is a quick easy win. It really isn't. My claim took 6 months and 9 letters in total! Well worth it in the long run though.

 

Whoopee!!

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Whoopee indeed - Well done Charlie:D

Advice given is either my experience or my opinion and is given without liability. If in doubt, consult a qualified professional.

If you PM me for advice I will only reply in your own thread

 

Never under estimate your ability. I won over £17,000!

For the full story - look here

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/NatWest-bank/17630-thecobbettslayer-NatWest.html

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Great news Charlie

 

Congratulations!!!!!

 

And just in time for Christmas - or the January sales!

 

Best wishes

 

Westy

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If you like my post, click the scales!!

 

Nov 1 2006 Preliminary letter

21 Feb 2007 - cheque arrived for charges+DEBIT interest +Statutory Interest! Hurray!

Read all about it: natwesttookmymoney - v- NatWest

DONATE AS MUCH AS YOU CAN TO KEEP THE SITE GOING.

 

What can you claim? Vampiress has a good idea:

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/general/69877-what-can-you-claim.html

Anything I say is just a suggestion. I'm a bigmouth, not a lawyer!

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Ah well done mate - enjoy your cash!!!!!!

 

Gosh that nearly all my newbies not so newboies now and getting settled!!!

 

Well done agin!

Allyxia

KEEP FIGHTING FOR YOUR MONEY - EVEN WHEN IT GETS TOUGH

The Banks are somewhere which lends you an umberella when it is sunny, and takes it away when it rains

 

HSBC £1200 - Settled in Full

Cap 1 2 X £100 - Settled in Full

Nationwide £1641 - Settled in Full inc Default and CCJ Removed by Court Order

NatWest £2215.60- Settled in Full and Removed Default Natice

Woolwich £3690 - Settled in Full

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Congratulations:)

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Bigmama59 v NatWest settled in full £4739.69:)

Son v Halifax 2nd claim settled in full £130

Bigmama v Halifax settled in full £1125

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