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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
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Found a letter from the court when I got home. I also phoned them this morning.

 

Quick summary of the letter:

 

the case has been "paused" as the Sheriff believes that the matter may be resolved via "Mediation".

 

Nothing further will happen unless a re-start request is received.

This can be done at any time by either party.

 

A detailed leaflet from The University of Strathclyde Mediation Clinic is enclosed, and you are encouraged to contact them.

 

If no settlement is arrived at it remains open to you to come back to the court to re-start the case and to seek a judicial decision.

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I also phoned the court (prior to reading the letter) and was told that if the case is not re-started within 6 months then the Sheriff may contact both parties, and ultimately the case may be cancelled.

 

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is your electronic sign up included?

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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No electronic sign up.

1: Credit Card Agreenent
2: All letters sent by Aqua
3: All letters received by Aqua
4: Statements from 17th Nov 2013 to 18th Jun 2017

5:  Account History

No sign up agreement. The Credit Card Agreement is simply a generic copy of their terms and conditions which anyone can download from their site.

 

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agreement must show the sign up?

scan it up to one multipage PDF please

read upload

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Nope. do not ask for another copy. Why would you want to give them another chance to get it right?

Any advice i give is my own and is based solely on personal experience. If in any doubt about a situation , please contact a certified legal representative or debt counsellor..

 

 

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topic tidied

ok that's a set of T&C's not a CCA.

 

if the fleecers don't do anything 

when the 6mths 1 day arrives wackin an incidental application wanting the sheriff to dismiss the case and issue an absolvitor.

 

and no not the ICO.

 

dx

 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Will do :-)

 

Fyi: I received a bill this morning from Cabot for £90, for "legal costs".

 

They helpfully included various ways that I can pay!!!!

 

Needless to say, I will not be paying it.

 

Chancing gits that they are.

 

I will be more than happy to send them my bill.

 

 

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I'd be minded to put it in an envelope,  send it back to them with an A4 piece of paper with a big laughing emoji right in the middle of it

 

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Received a letter today from Cabot advisng that they were unable to comply with my Section 77 request.

 

The letter states "This means that we are not permitted to obtain a judgement or decree against you in Court".

 

Do I do anything, or wait for a "cancellation of the court action" to come through?

 

Best regards,

 

Pete

 

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that's just one of a set of std replies cabot use to a CCA request regardless to any court proceedings.

 

i'd send that to the email address of the clerks office now by a PDF attachment.with ref to your case number

advise you will be ringing in the morning.

 

ring them and enquire if you can 

send in an incidental application wanting the sheriff to issue an decree absolvitor 

https://scotland.shelter.org.uk/get_advice/advice_topics/complaints_and_court_action/what_happens_at_court/court_decisions

 

 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Hi,

Latest update is that I sent off the "Cabot Letter" advising that they couldn't take any further legal action as they could not meet the Section 77 criteria + a copy of my email to the Mediation Clinic / their response.

This was to help show willingness on my part to follow any suggestions of the court.

 

As per the Court rules I also sent a copy of the same info to Nolans.

The cheekie buggers then sent me an EMAIL (clearly they lifted my info from the info which I sent them) advising:


" We note that you have submitted a letter from our clients confirming that they are not permitted to obtain a judgement or decree against you in court but they can still request that you repay your outstanding balance.

 

There is a well known Authority in the High Court's decision in the case of McGuffick -v- The Royal Bank of Scotland plc (2009) EWHC 2386 where the Court determined the meaning of the word "enforcement" under the Consumer Credit Act 1974 and whether during the period of unenforceability any actions taken by a lender amount to enforcement contrary to Section 77 (4) of the CCA 1974.  

 

The Court decided in this case that the effect of unenforceability is that a lender's rights and a debtor's  obligation existed but  were not extinguished.   The demanding of payment, issuing of a Default Notice, threatening legal proceedings and bringing proceedings themselves did not amount to enforcement. 

 

As you are aware we have already produced a copy of the Credit Agreement.  

We have also produced and lodged in process annual statements from period 14th October 2013 to 16th October 2014.  

 

We are waiting for our clients to send us further statements post 2014 in order to fulfil the second part of the Section 77 to 79 request.

 

At the moment the case has been paused because the Sheriff considers that this matter may be resolved through mediation.  

We are hopeful that our clients will send us the information to fulfil the Section 77 request and until such time they are happy for the action to remain paused.

 

In the meantime, in light of the documentation that we have lodged in process, we will require  a note of your defence to the matter given the agreement has now been produced and  statements to period 16th October 2014 have been produced.      

 

The terms of the Order of the Court state that both Nolans and you are encouraged to contact each other to settle the case or narrow the issues in dispute. 

 

Our clients are happy to accept payments by way of an instalment plan for payments to be made which are affordable to you.  

Our clients may also accept a reduced settlement if you are able to pay a lump sum payment.   

In the circumstances we welcome any proposals that you may have.

We look forward to hearing from you.

"

I am pretty annoyed that:
A) They lifted my email address from documents supllied to them for information purposes, and proceeded to send me an email.
B) They consider that somehow sending me a bunch of statements somehow constitutes meeting the section 77 requirement
C) They lifted my email address from documents supllied to them for information purposes, and proceeded to send me an email.

Yeah, I know that points A & C are the same, but it's an important point. Mentioning it just once isn't enough :-)

I am tempted to complain about the misuse of email for communicating with me + asking the Sherriff to restart the case again.

Yes/No?

Thanks in advance.

Pete

 

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its a begging letter 

block and bounce their email address pete

you should have already have done this as a matter of course.

so what happened when you did the following I advised?

send that to the email address of the clerks office now by a PDF attachment.with ref to your case number

advise you will be ringing in the morning.

ring them and enquire if you can 

send in an incidental application wanting the sheriff to issue an decree absolvitor 

https://scotland.shelter.org.uk/get_advice/advice_topics/complaints_and_court_action/what_happens_at_court/court_decisions

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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I checked with the clerk yesterday and was advised that the documentation which I has submitted hadn't been processed yet as the case was currently "On Hold", and they had a backlog due to staff illness.

 

However, now that he was aware of the contents he would ensure that it was processed this week. The documentation contained the "Incidental Application " + letter from Cabot + email to/from Mediation Clinic.

 

I will check tomorrow that it has all now been logged, etc.

 

Thanks for all your help so far - it is much appreciated :-)

 

Best regards,

 

Pete

 

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Ok, latest update is as follows:

 

The Sheriff Clark Depute returned my Incidental Application Form advising "I hereby return your Incidental Application Form as this is not in the correct format under the Simple Procedure Rules. Please re-submit in the correct format, together with proof of service on the claimant."

 

The form was downloaded from their site. I have uploaded a copy of the submitted form, having first replaced any identifying data with ********** characters

 

I did not send a copy to Nolans.

 

Not sure what was wrong with the form?  I did sign the form.

 

Not sure what to do now. Any ideas?

 

Many thanks,

 

Pete

 

form---incidental-application.doc

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ring the clerk 

ask what was wrong.

 

I think I know but not sure.

 

dx

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Probably because you have not completed the form in its entirety ...you must complete A-C

 

https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/docs/default-source/rules-and-practice/forms/sheriff-court-forms/simple-procedure-forms/form_9g.pdf?sfvrsn=6

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Very true. That was not the form which I completed.  Mine was just a simple one page form.


I will completed and re-post.  Do I need to send a copy to Nolans also?

 

Many thanks,

 

I phoned and the clerk advised that he was unsure as he hadn't dealt with it personality.

 

Will fill in the above form and see what happens :-)

 

Fingers-crossed.

 

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Yes and proof of service

Free proof of posting for any mail can be gained at a po counter.

 

Dx

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NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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I would assume the court serves a copy as the claimant must complete part D and return.

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you have to serve the claimants too for any IA.

 

 

 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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