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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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??nothing to do with the form that's only for ref...

 

 

fill this out please

and copy n paste it back here answering the questions

 

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?465231-Received-a-Court-Claim-From-A-Private-parking-Speculative-invoice-How-To-Deal-With-It-HERE***Updated-Aug-2016***(2-Viewing)-nbsp

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hi...

claimant is euro parking services ltd..

 

..issue date 21/02/17.

 

..particulars of the claim

1.the driver of the vehicle (reg) incurred the parking charge on 20/10/16 for breaching the terms of parking on the land at maghull centre

 

2.the defendant was driving the vehicle and /or is the keeper of the vehicle

3.and the claimant claims £160 for parking charges/damages and indemnity costs if applicable,

together with interest of £3.33 pursuant to s69 of the county courts act 1984 at 8% pa,

continuing to judgement at £0.04 per day

 

..sorry couldn't get my head round the copy and paste thats required

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good

 

is that ALL the particulars of claim state [bar pers info?]

 

so your defence is due by day 33 from the date on the claimform where by that date is one in the count

you do NOT miss it.

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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hi..

thought i had followed everything right so far as you have told me.

 

..do i need to put in a defence and counterclaim.

 

.i have a form here to do it and do i send that to gladstones solicitors.

 

.i have also found a letter from gladstones i thought i had lost dated 02/02/17..

 

."LETTER BEFORE CLAIM"

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the claim is cobblers,

they have to prove who the driver was,

they cant just put "the defendant is.was/maybe someone who may have been present at the time or maybe not"

 

Also the amount is nonsense,

if the contract offered by the sign says £100 then £100 it is, not soem made up amount.

 

The reason they do this si because most people either pay up when they get the claim or ignore it and lose by deafault.

 

Only 15% of the 200,000 claims in the county court are defended

so once you join that minority the parking cowboys start to brick it because they are then into a losing situation and have paid some snake oil mercahnt good money to issue a claim and they will get nothing but grief for their money.

 

OK, you need to acknowledge the service of the claim and

 

for a defence I would put something like

 

"the defendant denies that any contract was formed between the palintiff and himself.

It is put to srtict proof that such a contract exists as there is no keeper liability under the POFA in this matter.

 

The Particulars of Claim contain no detail as to the nature of such a breach of a contract,

the amount claimed does not reflect any contractual obligation and the general vagueness of the claim means that it is not possible to submit a proper defence It is therefore requested that the claim be struck out under CPR 16.4"

 

You do not counterclaim.

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hi and thank you once again..

.i have been on here in the past and was told to ignore everything.

.you even told me to send the paperwork to yourselves and you will ignore it for me but that was many years ago.

 

 

. i have successfully appealed in the past when i got a parking ticket at Aintree hospital because i couldn't get a disabled parking place for my father who had emphyzema and couldn't walk very far and had to leave the car near the entrance and was told by security that they would make sure i didn't get a ticket but i did..

.Had to appeal to solicitors in southampton..

 

so from what you have told me i just need to wait now for a reply off the solicitors..is that right..

i don't need to do anything else?..

 

 

when you say i have to acknowledge the service of the claim,

how to i do that?.

..we will be making a donation to CAG once i get all this sorted

 

 

...do you think i will end up in court having to defend this because i am well up for it now .

..i have had a belly full of these companies

best regards

steve

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until the Beavis decision all of the parking co's had to show a schedule of loss,

the same way as a landowner suing you for trespass would

- ie they claim DAMAGES and you haven't damaged their car park so nothing due.

 

 

The Beavis decision placed these parking contracts in the same basket as business to business contracts

whereby you could be sued for a penalty sum for damages, even if no loss was actually made.

 

 

The idea of this is not to be punitive but a "commercial consideration" and £80 was deemed OK.

Most parking co's have crept that up to £100 since Beavis, typical greedy act of a disreputable industry

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leave the paper claimform alone

all you need that is for ref

do it all online

 

 

pop up on the MCOL website detailed on the claimform.

.

register as an individual

note the long gateway number given

then log in

.

select respond to a claim and select the AOS box.

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then using the details required from the claimform

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defend all

leave jurisdiction unticked.

click thru to the end

confirm and exit MCOL.

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dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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whats that about it in post 32 for then?

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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looks ok then

 

 

post29 then

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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they arent going to respond so tomorrow you write to the court ( or the bulk centre if a court hasnt been allocated yet)

and request that the claim be struck out under CPR 16.4 as ECP havent shown a cause for action based upon the CPR 31.14 request

- no locus standi and have failed to show proof of who the driver was at the time asd there is no keeper liability in this matter.

 

You probably wont get the strike out but you may well get a demand for your defence evidence for a case management hearing to determine whether they can carry on. At worst, the first thing the judge will ask them is why they have made this claim if they have no proof of contract with you.

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you are writing to the court so your details and the claim number, normally written as: ECP v defendant, claim ref 12xy23456. then say

 

I wish to request that the claim against me is struck out under CPR 16.4 as ECP have failed to show a cause for action against the defendant by failing to supply enough detail as to what the claim is for in the Particulars of Claim and by failing to respond for evidence of their locus standi and reasons for the claim by way of a CPR 31.14 request.

 

 

It is not possible to defend a claim that doesnt say whether it is brought as a breach of contract or monies owed under a contract or whether they have identified the defendant as the driver at the time as they havent said they are relying on keeper liability under the POFA 2012 to create a liability by the defendant.

 

you dont send this the ECP or Gladstones, just the court. you may well not get a reply, the court may well tell Gladdys to show a reason for claiming or lose the claim without a hearing or it may get filed until acourt and judge are allocated..

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defence was due FRIDAY!!

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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no need to fax do it on MCOL.

 

 

dx

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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