bbc iplayer'loophole' to be closed

[andydd]

Huh ?

It's unclear what your point is of what relevance the last link has ?

[Guest]

how about the beeb going something like the 'public service' channel 4, getting its revenue from advertising etc only, but with a public (statutory) remit?

(the beeb already gets some revenue from advertising eg worldservice which it reinvests?)

 

maybe there is some merit in the proposals. it cld be seen a bit unfair that progs etc paid for by licence payers are available to all (albeit not 'live'). what do you think?

[tobyjugg2]

You pay for extremely worthwhile (far more so than the BBC in my opinion) viewing.

... But ignore that one if you wish and look at all the other pay to view TV/streaming sites including the others mentioned

- there are very very many, most of them with nothing like the BBC budget or government backing that the BBC has (ie search warrants specifically included in law).

Or are you unaware of them? I mentioned a few of the larger ones.

Even making the BBC subscription like some porno channels wouldm't be hard (sic) or expensive. A dirt cheap little box or TV slot plugin.

What about all the scrambled channels from satellite systems?

Its dead easy and very cheap (relatively) to implement.

The BBC don't want it of course because very few would likely pay - the BBC would be bankrupt in a month.

[Conniff]

What are you all whinging about, great value for money, worth every penny, should be index linked.

[tobyjugg2]

Here you go then Conniff

http://bbcstreams.com/donate

[Conniff]

I wouldn't agree with paying some outside moneymaking company, that's the same as having a bus pass and paying the fare.

[tobyjugg2]

Perhaps this one then

http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaaction/support-us/donate

Don't worry - they accept money from anyone ...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/11953172/EU-referendum-bias-row-after-EU-pays-BBC-charity-9m.html

[Conniff]

I most definitely wouldn't have any of my money going abroad. They have had enough over the centuries and not a single thing has been done with that money to help the people, so sod that.

[tobyjugg2]

Really?

What make is the TV you watch the BBC on then?

or the laptop/phone/tablet you use to access here?

[fletch70]

I am confused how they will enforce it

 

So will you need to register to watch Iplayer and if so whats to stop me registering using the details of someone who has a licence ?

Will the wicked witch that is Teresa May include in her snoopers charter the ability for the BBC to demand that ISP's report anyone streaming Iplayer ?

 

What about if someone hijacks your wifi and streams Iplayer -would you then be liable , for example I provided my neighbour with my Wifi access because I have fibre and I am rarely at home so no loss to me ( I pay for unlimited downloads so that when I am at home I can do what i want without any worries and there are many perfectly legal sites that use a lot of data, hell downloading Win 10 is a big file

 

I think this is a case of the Tories acting without thinking -no there's a shock

 

I wonder where the £100Million figure comes from, is that the number of unlicensed homes ?

[tobyjugg2]

Without going into detail - All those issues are the same sort of issues all pay stream services have and have overcome - else they wouldn't be in business, and as i said - they dont have the support of the government that the BBC does.

Sky, VM, netflicks, adult channel, TGC, etc etc etc

From the figures I looked at

Costs for chasing non-payers runs at about £18-20M

Revenue to BBC from the courts is about £13M

and Fines to courts (it is a criminal offense) equates to about £18M

So the courts make from the 'policing' actions

The BBC actually runs at a loss in that area, but given the deterrent value its probably well worth it to them

You are still liable for accesses your neighbour makes via the access you have given him/her, Its part of the terms of your internet access, and would undoubtedly be part of the terms of access to the BBC if it was set up that way.

[Teefenn1]

I wouldn't take too much notice of TV Licencing's own website. Like their bluff letters it is designed to scare the public into submission by misrepresenting their own powers and technical ability. Note, for example, that all information about detection vans is withheld. That's because they don't want you to know that they do not work and certainly cannot be used as the sole evidence for a prosecution.

 

All you need do is not answer the door; if you accidentally do open it, shut it in their face without conversation. They cannot prosecute anyone without gaining entry (or an admission). A search warrant will not be granted without reasonable evidence of an offence, which they cannot obtain without entry so they're stuffed. Simply not having a licence is not regarded by the courts as reasonable evidence to grant a search warrant.

[Needabreak]

Or even better - Abolish the TV licence altogether!

[tobyjugg2]

If they make every adult pay the for the BBC,

Then everybody can pay my water tax, council tax, and car insurance for starters.

 

Everybody needs water

Everybody uses something paid for by the council tax

... and anyone can watch me driving my car on the public roads

[baz28]

From the Telegraph..

 

Viewers of other catch-up services, such as 4oD and ITV Player, will not be required to purchase a TV Licence as long as they don't watch or record live TV, the Department for Culture, Media and Sport confirmed to Telegraph Money today.

Martin Lewis, founder of MoneySavingExpert.com, said: "This is the first time that there has been a differentiation between the BBC and other networks. We’ve seen a massive move towards people watching TV online only, to avoid the subscription fee.

[claire1981]

Unlikely BBC will ever prevent the iplayer from being free. It lost the new generation long ago. I'm not young but even I use youtube for most of my 'TV'. Most BBC stuff is recycled rubbish that wasn't ever any good. You can bet somewhere on youtube you can find a lot of decent stuff. A lot of stuff gets taken down due to copyright, but it's often put back up again under disguised names. BBC knows it's basically reliant on Brits charity to pay the fee out of tradition & in many cases young peoples ignorance. Put any more pressure on the already tightly squeezed & BBC know its days will be numbered all the sooner.

[unclebulgaria67]

BBC will have to go down the advertisement route, same as any commercial company. There are too many ways for people to access TV and i don't think a subscription service would work.

 

If the government want to continue the public funding of the BBC, instead of a licence fee collected in the current way, they should look at other options. If they made it compulsory to have a licence to own a TV set or any device that can receive TV progs, that would be one way. They could add a fee to Electricity bills, which one country does at the moment, as a way of collecting. They could fund the BBC out of general taxation with a slight income tax increase and scrap the licence fee. They could apply a different VAT rate on all electrical appliance purchases, which goes towards subsidising broadcasting, as well as paying towards recycling costs of electrical products which are sent by household to refuse sites.

 

My bet is that within 10 years the current licence fee won't exist and there will be a different funding model for broadcasting.

[tobyjugg2]

If the government want to continue the public funding of the BBC,

 

The real question is do the public want to keep funding a self-serving, high management wage paying, pedophile protecting change resisting organisation, for a handful of quality programs and a huge raft of crap.

(+ send money into the coffers of the license fee collecting bully-boys)

[fenwoman]

But what if you don't own a telly and don't watch BBC on catchup? I haven't owned a telly for years

[hightail]

Without going into detail - All those issues are the same sort of issues all pay stream services have and have overcome

All it takes with Netflix is a login and password with one subscription often shared by family members in different households. Isn't this exactly the opposite to what a TV licence entitles you to do?

[Guest]

the licence fee has been renewed for another term. iplayer soon (next year) to be subject to.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/end-of-the-iplayer-tv-licence-loophole-how-you-can-still-watch-o/

[tobyjugg2]

Looks like an interim move to me to get people used to real change in the BBC

I think the half time review will be interesting, lts 'result is almost certainly known already, especially if the Tories get in again (never underestimate the foibles of the voting masses, or the marksman like foot shooting abilities of Labour).

[mikeymack2002]

Well then we have this >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_America

 

 

So what happens if you watch TV through a 3rd party provider (SKY VIRGIN and the like?) Do you need a license then? A 3rd party like FILMON which is free and it shows live TV but this is delayed because it has to go through several online servers? What are the rules about this?

[unclebulgaria67]

Why not allow BBC to have some advertising slots during peak time programmes ? Given the audience numbers, i suspect adverts near to programmes like Eastenders would come at a premium.

 

Also why not allow BBC to include adverts on i-player programmes ?

 

Given that experts are saying that most TV stations will move to becoming computer apps within 10 years, it might make TV licencing a bit difficult to maintain. It is envitable that the BBC will have to move to a finance model that includes a lot more advertising.

[tobyjugg2]

as well as the licence fee?