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An agreement was reached between the government and the BBC last July that the government would update licence fee legislation, as part of negotiations that saw the corporation agreeing to cover the cost of providing free licences for over-75s.

 

In his keynote speech, Mr Whittingdale said: "Having discussed this with the BBC and the BBC Trust, I will be bringing forward, as soon as practicable, secondary legislation which will extend the current TV licensing regime, not only to cover those watching the BBC live but also those watching the BBC on catch-up through the iPlayer."

 

I think that ALL TV companies should contribute to the free licenences for over 75's

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What loophole though. The law clearly says live tv or radio transmissions.

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What loophole though. The law clearly says live tv or radio transmissions.

they see it as a 'loophole', though not technically one as such atm. its to change the law so it includes the beebs catchup stuff ie not just live?

how it wld/cld be enforced though, prob via an increase in the 'ultra vires' licence fee :lol:

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Soon we will need a license to breath!

 

As there are already reports of court orders based on 'seeing flickering lights through the curtains', You'll have to prove you were incapable of watching it

- impossible of course unless you have no internet/mobile phone or anything like and even then they can say you must be hiding it somewhere.

Strip searches by the license goons ...

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they see it as a 'loophole', though not technically one as such atm. its to change the law so it includes the beebs catchup stuff ie not just live?

how it wld/cld be enforced though, prob via an increase in the 'ultra vires' licence fee :lol:

 

Easy - have you need to put in your TV license number (or register for access) before they let you access it on the web. Job done.

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Easy - have you need to put in your TV license number (or register for access) before they let you access it on the web. Job done.

 

Except if it was that easy and true, theyd have already done that a long time ago.

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As there are already reports of court orders based on 'seeing flickering lights through the curtains', You'll have to prove you were incapable of watching it

- impossible of course unless you have no internet/mobile phone or anything like and even then they can say you must be hiding it somewhere.

Strip searches by the license goons ...

 

They have to prove you were watching live tv. You could have been watching a DVD, or watching youtube on your tv.

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Except if it was that easy and true, theyd have already done that a long time ago.

 

It is that simple, its just that previously it wasn't worthwhile as the majority were catchup where a license isnt yet required - hence not worth the trouble.

 

They have to prove you were watching live tv. You could have been watching a DVD, or watching youtube on your tv.

 

Actually - they dont, they should have to - but they dont

http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/about/foi-administering-the-licence-fee-AB20

 

 

"A magistrate (or sheriff in Scotland) has discretion to grant a search warrant for authorised persons to search premises suspected of illegal activity in respect of television licensing. It is an offence to intentionally obstruct a person exercising the warrant (see section 366(8) of the Communications Act 2003). TV Licensing will be accompanied by the police when executing a search warrant."

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http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/21/part/4

 

 

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(7)Where a person has the power by virtue of a warrant under this section to examine or test any television receiver found on any premises, or in any vehicle, it shall be the duty—

 

(a)of a person who is on the premises or in the vehicle, and

 

(b)in the case of a vehicle, of a person who has charge of it or is present when it is searched,

 

to give the person carrying out the examination or test all such assistance as that person may reasonably require for carrying it out.

 

(8)A person is guilty of an offence if he—

 

(a)intentionally obstructs a person in the exercise of any power conferred on that person by virtue of a warrant under this section; or

 

(b)without reasonable excuse, fails to give any assistance that he is under a duty to give by virtue of subsection (7).

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There are quite a few countries that have abolished the TV licence and publicly fund.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_licence

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There are quite a few countries that have abolished the TV licence and publicly fund.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_licence

 

Yes, Yet our government has implemented a law supporting TVL where not breaking the law and simply requiring them to leave you alone can be interpreted by a magistrate as grounds for a search warrant.

 

I didn't believe this at first, but it does appear to be true. - although many of the other statements readily seen would certainly seem to be false - like they have to catch you watching TV - well no they dont - a TV set up to receive channels, even if the Aeriel isnt plugged in would seem to see you prosecuted.

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Easy - have you need to put in your TV license number (or register for access) before they let you access it on the web. Job done.

 

I cannot see any other way of restricting access to iPlayer unless with a licence number. Mind you, what would stop me giving my licence number to my sons?

 

I haven't read this yet, but this is the Culture Secretary's full keynote speech today:

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/culture-secretary-keynote-to-oxford-media-convention-2016

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I cannot see any other way of restricting access to iPlayer unless with a licence number. Mind you, what would stop me giving my licence number to my sons?

 

I haven't read this yet, but this is the Culture Secretary's full keynote speech today:

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/culture-secretary-keynote-to-oxford-media-convention-2016

 

 

It says little apart from some BBC trumpet blowing, whinging about online ad blockers and saying that BBC programs online were never intended to be free and they intend to close that loophole.

 

The real issue is how they close the loophole.

 

If they just extend the TVL bullboys rights, then you pc, laptop and phone will also come under their 'investigation' completely breaching the requirement to reasonable privacy expected but never mentioned in their current investigations.

 

The only realistic way is to require registration to watch it with confirmation of licence at/during registration.

 

Its my opinion that anything openly broadcast on any media should be free to receive - or not to receive as you wish.

 

Sky and VM manage it - why not the BBC.

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It seems to me on examination that there appear to be some simple facts

The word of the law (as shown in the links above) allows suspicion as a valid reason to give a search warrent to TVL, and at least some magistrates also appear to hold that view.

... despite TVL statements here http://www.lime-marmalade.net/philip_dean.html

 

 

Obstructing (very subjective)

Obstructing a search warrant, even a TVL one, is a separate offense clearly defined in the links above which does not require any guilt proven on the issue the search warrant was granted for.

The law as stated is linked above

In addition to the video linked on a number of the anti-TVL sites, there are a number of local newspaper reports detailing such events.

Heres one http://www.burtonmail.co.uk/Television-licence-trial-begin-today/story-25958759-detail/story.html

 

 

PACE

TVL are not required to follow PACE requirements, they are required to give a 'caution'

http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/about/foi-administering-the-licence-fee-AB20

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What is a prosecution statement? A prosecution statement is a record of an interview which takes place under caution, conducted by TV Licensing enquiry officers if they suspect that an offence under the Communications Act 2003 has been committed.

When taking statements enquiry officers must have regard to the Police and Criminal Evidence Act Codes of Practice (‘the PACE Codes’) or Scottish criminal law (depending on where the address is). This means enquiry officers have a duty to caution the individual concerned of their legal rights before taking a statement if the individual still wishes to give a statement. Most of the PACE Codes do not apply to enquiry officers as they do not have any power to arrest or detain people, enter premises or seize property. The PACE Codes only apply to enquiry officers in so far as it imposes a duty on them to give a caution.

 

 

 

There is a duty to respect your privacy, but dont read too much into that.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0eNVR3Ar16ZbDlKeldrVzFhZE0/edit?pref=2&pli=1

Note the PACE statement in the above contradict the 'facts' on the TVL site

http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/about/foi-administering-the-licence-fee-AB20

 

 

 

 

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They might as well make it compulsory for every adult to pay a TV licence, whether they normally watch a TV or not. If they walk down a high street they will pass shops selling TV's. If they go to a pub, they may watch TV. Etc etc,

 

If every adult paid a licence, rather than a household, they could reduce the fee to about £25 a year each.

 

Nobody would be exempt from paying.

 

In the modern world we are in, where you can watch it on numerous devices anywhere you want to, it is illogical to maintain a household licencing system.

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Is it only BBC iplayer or all catch up? I don't have a licence and I'd be happy enough to be checked because my TV isn't tuned in to receive live channels. If this is intended to only apply to BBC iplayer how on earth will they police it?

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If every adult paid a licence, rather than a household, they could reduce the fee to about £25 a year each.

 

Like they tried to introduce with the Poll Tax that ended in riots.

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If you search for worldwide TV licencing you will see a Wiki page. Quite interesting reading. UK was first to introduce licences and it is now pretty common. Germany actually charges a higher licence. Some still charge for radio.

 

They could scrap licences and just fund all TV subsidies from general taxation. BBC should be forced to accept more advertising and the money should be spread across different broadcasters.l

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The £25 if every household pays just doesnt stack up unc.

By those calculations only 1/6th of households are paying.

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The £25 if every household pays just doesnt stack up unc.

By those calculations only 1/6th of households are paying.

 

oops - sorry misread

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