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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
    • Thanks for all the suggestions so far I will amend original WS and send again for review.  While looking at my post at very beginning when I submitted photos of signs around the car park I noticed that it says 5 hours maximum stay while the signage sent by solicitor shows 4 hours maximum stay but mine is related to electric bay abuse not sure if this can be of any use in WS.
    • Not sure what to make of that or what it means for me, I was just about to head to my kip and it's a bit too late for legalise. When is the "expenditure occured"?  When they start spending money to write to me?  Or is this a bad thing (as "harsh" would imply)? When all is said and done, I do not have two beans to rub together, we rent our home and EVERYTHING of value has been purchased by and is in my wife's name and we are not financially linked in any way.  So at least if I can't escape my fate I can at least know that they will get sweet FA from me anyway   edit:  ah.. Sophia Harrison: Time bar decision tough on claimants WWW.SCOTTISHLEGAL.COM Time bar is a very complex area of law in Scotland relating to the period in which a claim for breach of duty can be pursued. The Scottish government...   This explains it like I am 5.  So, a good thing then because creditors clearly know they have suffered a loss the minute I stop paying them, this is why it is "harsh" (for them, not me)? Am I understanding this correctly?  
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Hi guys - really need some advice!

 

 

I received a PCN for allegedly parking without a valid permit around three months ago, I foolishly disregarded this and thought nothing more of the matter.

 

 

Imagine my surprise when I received the below correspondence - This is the first letter I have received with regards to this matter and was wondering how best to proceed?

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ericsbrother is a dab hand at this, and he will tell you how to put them back in their box.

 

Where was it?

 

And when did you receive the NTK?

Who ever heard of someone getting a job at the Jobcentre? The unemployed are sent there as penance for their sins, not to help them find work!

 

 

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It was in a car park which I now know belongs to a housing association, in Leeds.

 

 

By NTK I trust you mean notice to keeper? I've not received any correspondence prior to this, although from my experience I'm aware you normally receive one or two letters prior to this.

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Well if you've not received the NTK (yes you're correct) then they have failed horrendously IMO.

 

You should have received the NTK any time from day 29 to day 56 from the date of alleged offence.

Did you have a ticket on the screen?

Who ever heard of someone getting a job at the Jobcentre? The unemployed are sent there as penance for their sins, not to help them find work!

 

 

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That has to qualify as one of the most appallingly written, unprofessional pre-action letters I have ever seen. My dog is more literate!

 

If it were me I would write back and invite them to take me to court on the basis that they have failed to abide by the conditions of the Protection Of Freedoms Act a,d correspondingly their issue is with the driver, not the keeper of the vehicle. Any action will be vigorously defended on those grounds, they WILL lose and you will be seeking costs and challenging their right to seek keeper details from the DVLA.

 

That is my opinion - but there are far better qualified to comment and I am sure they will do so in due course!

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I agree with the above sentiments regarding this letter, it is appaling in its tone and content.

You should reply to them quoting their reference number and say that this is the first communication you have received regarding the alleged event and as such it cannot be construed to be a Notice to Keeper as required by the protocols of the Protection of freedoms Act of 2012 as 1) it is issued out of time and 2) does not contain the necessary information regarding the event and the supposed breach. Furthermore it fails miserably to contain the correct wording to be considered a letter before action under the pre-action protocols of the Civil Procedure Regulations.

As there is no keeper liability due to UKPCS failure to follow procedures any further demands will be reported as harassment under both criminal law and civil tort. Copy letter to Patrick Troy of the BPA and make sure that UKPCS know that you have done so. Get a proof of posting cert from the Post Office for the letter. If they then say that they have sent an NTK then you ask for "strict proof" of this including proof of postage within the prescribed time.

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Thank you guys - really appreciate your help, its touching that so many people are willing to help others in these matters - otherwise these cowboys will continue to get away with their appalling behaviour.

 

 

Out of interest - is there a certain template letter that fits the criteria of this? I'm terrible at letter writing ::smile::

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Hi,

No letter template as such as each case is different. If you want constructive criticism, draft a reply here and let others offer advice on it. Obviously, don't include your personal details on the draft.

 

BTW, I fully agree with all the above advice

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use the words in my post #10, that will be enough.

It might not stop the demands but they will know that you know they dont have a leg to stand on. Always refer to yourself as the keeper of the vehicle rather than by name or saying things like "I did" or "I was". Use of the third person doesnt indicate who was driving so cannot be construed in that way.

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use the words in my post #10, that will be enough.

It might not stop the demands but they will know that you know they dont have a leg to stand on. Always refer to yourself as the keeper of the vehicle rather than by name or saying things like "I did" or "I was". Use of the third person doesnt indicate who was driving so cannot be construed in that way.

 

 

 

To whom it may concern,

On Tuesday, 1st September 2015, I received correspondence from your company, regarding ticket reference *******, allegedly issued 10th June 2015, which states that I have 14 days to respond before the matter is issued to court.

This is the first correspondence that I have received regarding this alleged event, and as such, it cannot be construed to be a Notice to Keeper, as required by the protocols of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, as 1) it is issued out of time and 2) it does not contain the necessary information regarding the event and alleged breach.

Furthermore, it fails to contain the correct wording to be considered a letter before action, under the pre-action protocols of the Civil Procedure Regulations.

As there is no keeper liability, due to UKPCS’ failure to follow procedures, any further demands will be reported as harassment under both criminal law and civil tort.

For transparency, I have also issued a copy of this correspondence to Patrick Troy, of the BPA, to bring this matter to their attention.

Regards,

 

 

 

 

Hows this?

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Pretty good but if you don't mind, I will also have a go and between us we can see if we can find a 'killer' letter.

 

Dear Sir Madam,

I am in receipt of you letter dated (?) which was received on 1st September 2015 and the contents are noted.

 

Firstly, this is the first correspondence I have received from you and based on the date of the alleged parking incident, you are out of time to enforce this by virtue of the PoFA 2012 as you made no contact within the prescribed enforcement period.

 

Secondly, your letter lays out no legal grounds as you have failed to lay out a case within this letter.

 

Thirdly, you letter is badly laid out and fails to ensure that it is headed by the words 'Letter Before Action'

 

Fourthly, you claim that you will include interest at 10% above base rate is incorrect. If this matter were to proceed to court, all you could claim is the statutory interest, nothing more.

 

Unless you provide absolute proof that letters have posted by you, you should either cancel this charge but if you do decide to proceed with court action, I will fully defend this action.

 

As there is no keeper liability, due to UKPCS’ failure to follow procedures, any further demands will be reported as harassment under both criminal law and civil tort.

 

I will also be sending a copy of your very poorly worded letter and my response to Patrick Troy of the BPA to highlight your poor practices.

 

Yours faithfully etc.

 

 

That is what I would put but of course it is your choice as to whether to use it or a combination of both.

 

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Pretty good but if you don't mind, I will also have a go and between us we can see if we can find a 'killer' letter.

 

 

What bout this then?

 

 

Dear Sir/Madam,

I am in receipt of you letter dated 27th August 2015, which was received on 1st September 2015 and the contents are noted.

I can confirm that I was the registered owner and keeper of the vehicle, registration **** ***, on the date in question. However, this is the first correspondence I have received from you in association to this matter, and based on the date of the alleged parking incident, you are out of time to enforce this by virtue of the PoFA 2012 - as you made no contact within the prescribed enforcement period.

Furthermore, your letter lays out no legal grounds, as you have failed to outline your case against the registered owner and keeper, and it is also poorly laid out - failing to ensure that it is headed by the words ‘Letter before Action’.

In addition, you claim that you will include interest at 10% above base rate is incorrect. If this matter were to proceed to court, all you could claim is the statutory interest, nothing more.

Unless you provide absolute proof that previous letters addressed to the registered owner and keeper have been posted by you, then you should cancel this charge in full.

As there is no keeper liability, due to UKPCS’ failure to follow procedures, any further demands will be reported as harassment under both criminal law and civil tort.

If you do decide to proceed with court action, then I intend on fully defending this case.

For transparency, I will also be sending a copy of your very poorly worded letter, as well as, my response to Patrick Troy, of the BPA, to highlight your poor practices.

Yours faithfully

 

 

 

 

 

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I would happily send that. In my (humble) opinion, that is all that is needed. I would still let ericsbrother look it over as he is superb at this stuff.

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That will do fine, there is more you can sayIF they do send a LBA but they would be foolish to do so now you have denied liability under the PoFA and created a paper trail.

UKPCS have also been in the news recently regarding their criminality. Thye say they have sacked a number of scapegoats, I mean individual s who were caught out committing fraud but we will wait an see if the get a knock on the door from the police (if only). I bet when they collect their sanction points from the BPA they will just join the IPC as the other liars cheats and thieves have done.

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Good afternoon... I received the following correspondence from UKCPS today off of the back of my previous letter, which they seem to be referring to as an appeal?

 

 

This letter doesn't advise what the next steps are, or even address the points in my previous correspondence. what's everyone's thoughts?

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They are famous for their "disappearing ticket" and as they are quoting the IPC appeals procedure then they are not claiming keeper liability under the PoFA as the IPC seem to think that the law doesnt apply to them and older superceded case law is what counts. In reality they assert that the keeper was driving at the time, which is not what the law allows them to assume.

Next steps? Ignore the dumb gits until sucj time they (or their solicitor) send you a letter before claim or lba and then you can reqquote the previous statements and correspondence and point out that the appeal procedures were not followed to no keeper liability for that error as well.

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UKCPS are absolutely toothless. I received the very same "14 day notice before the matter is issued into court" letter about 2 months ago now, and despite me writing back saying "fine, I'll see you there, bring cake", I've heard precisely jack-all since.

 

You've replied as much as can be reasonably expected, so ignore them from this point on. Only respond to them if actual stamped court papers arrive, but frankly you've more chance of finding Willy Wonka's Golden Ticket on your doormat in the morning.

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Alas - the next instalment of the saga has arrived, I've now received correspondence from a solicitors in relation to the PCN, as detailed below, any advice on how to proceed would be much appreciated - I've now been requested to pay £250....

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usual story, Miahs are acting as unliceneced debt collectors and not as solicitors. This is to frighten you into paying money that is not due. ask yourself why it is suddenly £250?

So, respond to Miahs saying no keeper liability so please refer the matter to the driver at the time who UKPCS are obliged to identify for themselves.

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