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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
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My wife has received a PCN charge 62 - Parked with one or more wheels on or over a footpath or any part of the road other than a carriageway. This was issued by London borough of Waltham Forest.

 

She said that she was trying to turn in the road, and had to wait to let traffic pass. She was there for less than 1 minute. The part of the road that she is parked on is a dropped kerb, and it looks like it provides access to off street parking. The car is about 12 inches onto the footpath.

 

She also said she saw the traffic camera car stationary across the road.

 

I have been searching for a clear definition of parked, but cannot find one. Applying common sense here, surely she cannot be claimed to be parked? The other issue is that I have read something somewhere stating that an operative in one of those camera cars should put the ticket on the car in person if this is practical. Maybe I have misunderstood this though.

 

Does anyone have any advice on the above? I will begrudgingly pay it if I have to, but it just seems ridiculous to me!

 

Thanks in advance

Christian

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Yes good point, but equally, it shows how absurd a "parking" ticket is for this. I have requested the CCTV online, it says it will take 24 hours. I will take a look and see what it reveals!

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OK I have watched the CCTV.

 

At 0.04 on the video, my wife pulls over at the side of the road. There is a bit of traffic. At 0.32, the car moves to pull away, but there is still too much traffic. At 0.48, she turns in the road and leaves.

 

So after 28 seconds, it becomes clear that she is not intending to park. And she is there for a grand total of 44 seconds. It must be permissible to drive on this footpath, as it is a lowered kerb, which is clearly used as access to the off-street parking.

 

Do we have any grounds for appeal?

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It seems though, from what I have managed to read so far, that stopping is parking, however ridiculous that seems. My wife was in an area that she does not know well, and anybody watching the video and applying any modicum of common sense whatsoever would not say she is parked.

 

These camera cars, do the cameras operate automatically? As the camera zooms in to look at the plate. If this is an operative that is in control of the camera, its even more disgraceful in my opinion that he has not applied some common sense here.

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No, stopping is not parking, the definition for a parking ticket to be issued is that the car is out of gear and the engine is off /handbrake applied, as you would when leaving your vehicle. Even if you were waiting or passender boarding/alighting and got collared for that then the time limit is 1-2 minutes.

I presume that it wasnt a red route otherwise you are stuffed whatever you were doing.

The sods are just trying it on so having ahd the soft appeal kicked back tell the council that you intend to appeal to PATAS on the grounds that the offence did not occur and their own video proves it. they may very well cancel the ticket rather than have t go through the aggravation of making evidence available to the adjudicator and look stupid.

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Thank you for the reply, where is that definition from? It is definitely not a red route, it looks like it is single yellow but it is hard to be certain, but like I said, there is a dropped kerb that is used for access to the car parking spaces which belong to the tumbletots there :)

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No, stopping is not parking, the definition for a parking ticket to be issued is that the car is out of gear and the engine is off /handbrake applied, as you would when leaving your vehicle. Even if you were waiting or passender boarding/alighting and got collared for that then the time limit is 1-2 minutes.

 

Much as I agree that the PCN is unnecessary and a pretty disgusting thing to have happened, this definition of parking is news indeed to me. It implies that you can park on a double yellow line all day provided you don't leave the handbreak on. Also, there is no "time limit" for boarding/alighting.

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Case law has determined to 'wait' or 'park' means to remain in the same place for longer than a momentary 'stop', hence the distinction between 'no stopping' and 'no waiting' restrictions. There is no legal definition of a momentary stop so it would be for the person dealing with the appeal to decide on the merits of your case and decide if indeed the car was parked or had come to a momentary halt.

 

Ignore any advice about parking having to involve, turning engine off, getting out of car, hazard lights, keys in ignition, sitting in car etc etc parking is simply remaining inthe same place it is the legnth of time that is the determining factor nothing else.

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There are a list of cases that have gone through PATAS that are considered as determining test cases for certain actions and for parking this is what they consider parked, not momentarily stopped. Likewise the alighting/boarding timings. Unless the council wants to spend a fortune on going to a higher court then a properly worded PATAS appeal will get you the result you would want.

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There are a list of cases that have gone through PATAS that are considered as determining test cases for certain actions and for parking this is what they consider parked, not momentarily stopped. Likewise the alighting/boarding timings. Unless the council wants to spend a fortune on going to a higher court then a properly worded PATAS appeal will get you the result you would want.

 

You've changed your tune what happed to the being in gear rubbish you advised earlier?

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There are a list of cases that have gone through PATAS that are considered as determining test cases for certain actions and for parking this is what they consider parked, not momentarily stopped. Likewise the alighting/boarding timings. Unless the council wants to spend a fortune on going to a higher court then a properly worded PATAS appeal will get you the result you would want.

 

Earlier PATAS decisions are often taken into account at hearings but there is no precedent, as there is in court rulings. One adjudicator may disagree with another. There is a generally understood definition to parking and what you said above is not anything I've ever heard of. Neither have I ever heard of 1-2 minutes for boarding or alighting. That's just not how the regulations are interpreted.

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I got a notice of rejection of representation today, as expected.

 

Also as expected, the letter does not address my points whatsoever, and is just a generic response from the council. What absolute bloody jobsworths.

 

Has anyone got any general advice for the appeal?

 

I have watched the video again with my wife. She is driving down the road, and starts to turn off to park in a parking space that belongs to the charity she was visiting (she is allowed to park there). When she realises that the spaces are full, she instead stops pulls over at the side of the road, admittedly over the footpath, and prepares to leave as quickly but as safely as possible.

 

She waits for traffic to pass, after 28 seconds she starts to pull away but there is still too much traffic. After 44 seconds, she pulls away.

 

Is this adjudicator truly independent? Because I would expect them to take a dim view of this case. It is nothing other than aggressive enforcement and using parking fines as a form of income for the council. I am quite unhappy that I even need to waste my time responding to this, as my time is worth a lot more to me than £65 or even £130, but I am not going to let them bully me into this just out of principle!

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I don't see where you can go with this. The PCN was for having wheels on the path and you say:

 

she instead stops pulls over at the side of the road, admittedly over the footpath

 

I presume this is on film, so you can't deny that it happened. All you can do is ask the council for a discretionary cancellation, which you have done, and they refused. I don't think you will win at adjudication.

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OK fair enough. but the PCN was for parking, not having wheels on the path, I am disputing that she was "parked" there. Stopped yes, but parked, absolutely not. Stopping somewhere, then trying almost instantly to pull away is not parking.

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OK fair enough. but the PCN was for parking, not having wheels on the path, I am disputing that she was "parked" there. Stopped yes, but parked, absolutely not. Stopping somewhere, then trying almost instantly to pull away is not parking.

 

Dosn't your original post state: "charge 62 - Parked with one or more wheels on or over a footpath or any part of the road other than a carriageway"?

 

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I would have assumed that PATA, as well as applying precedent and case law, would also apply common sense. Anybody reasonable who watched this video would not say that my wife had "parked".

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I can pay £65 now, but if I appeal to PATA it goes up to £130. So I do actually have something to lose from this. This bullying tactic is sickening, which is why I want to fight it.

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Do you want to spend even more of your time and risk an additional £65 or pay £65 now and have done with it.

 

It depends entirely on how strongly you feel as a matter of principle.

 

PATAS would be a gamble, and would rely on the adjudicator finding that a contravention of 44 seconds was so momentary as to be 'de minimus'

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I think it does fit the definition of parked, which basically means to wait, stationary for any length of time. The PCN is uncalled for in my view, but I don't see any suitable grounds to take it to adjudication. Your best hope was fair play from the Council, which they have not shown.

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