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    • just to be clear here..... the DVLA do not send letters if a drivers licence address differs from any car's V5C that shows the same driver as it's registered keeper.
    • sorry she is a private individual, the cars are parking on her land. she can clamp the cars. only firms were outlawed from doing it bazza. thats what the victims of people dumping cars on their drives near airports did and they didn't not get prosecuted.    
    • The DVLA keeps two records of you. One as a driver and one for your car. If they differ you might find out in around a month when they will send you a reminder as well as to your other half for their car. If you receive nothing then you can be fairly sure that you were tailgating though wouldn't explain why they didn't pick up your car on one of drive past their cameras. However even if you do get a PCN later then your situation will not change. The current PCN does not comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule 4 which is the main law that covers private parking. It doesn't comply for two reasons. 1. Section 9 [2][a] states  (2)The notice must— (a)specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates; The PCN states 47 minutes which are the arrival and departure times not the time you were actually parked. if you subtract the time you took to drive from the entrance. look for a parking place  park in it perhaps having to manoeuvre a couple of times to fit within the lines and unload the children reloading the children getting seat belts on  driving to the exit stopping for cars pedestrians on the way you may well find that the actual time you were parked was quite likely to be around ten minutes over the required time.  Motorists are allowed a MINIMUM of ten minutes Grace period [something that the rogues in the parking industry conveniently forget-the word minimum] . So it could be that you did not overstay. 2] Sectio9 [2][f]  (ii)the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver, the creditor will (if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met) have the right to recover from the keeper so much of that amount as remains unpaid; Your PCN does not include the words in brackets and in 2a the Act included the word "must". Another fail. What those failures mean is that MET cannot transfer the liability to pay the charge from the driver to the keeper. Only the driver is now liable which is why we recommend our members not to appeal. It is so easy to reveal who was driving by saying "when I parked the car" than "when the driver parked the car".  As long as they don't know who was driving they have little chance of winning in court. This is partly because Courts do not accept that the driver and the keeper are the same person. And because anyone with a valid motor insurance policy is able to drive your cars. It is a shame that you are too far away to get photos of the car park signage. It is often poor and quite often the parking rogues lose in Court on their poor signage alone. I hope hat you can now relax and not panic about the PCN. You will receive many letters from Met, their unregulated debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors threatening you with ever higher amounts of money. The poor dears have never read the Act which states quite clearly that the maximum sum that can be charged is the amount on the signs. The Act has only been in force for 12 years so it may take a  few more years for the penny to drop.  You can safely ignore everything they send you unless or until they send you a Letter of Claim. Just come back to us if they do send one of those love letters to you and we will advise on a snotty letter to send them. In the meantime go on and enjoy your life. Continue reading other threads and if you do get any worrying letters let us know. 
    • Hopefully the ANPR cameras didn't pick up the two vehicles, but I don't think you're out of the woods just yet. MET's "work" consists of sending out hundreds of these invoices every week so yours might be a few days behind your partner's. There is also the matter of Royal Mail.  I once sold two second-hand books to someone on eBay.  Weirdly the cost of sending them separately was less than the cost of sending them in one parcel.  So to save a few bob I sent them seperately.  One turned up the next day.  One arrived after four days.  They were  sent from the same post office at the same time! But let's hope I'm being too pessimistic. Please update us of any developments.
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Hi guy / gals,

 

Was going to ask a Question about RLP but have done my research on here and seem to have received my answer. However, I will post for everyone's research.

 

My step Daughter foolishly got caught shop lifting in Tesco's, she was skint and did not ask her mother for money. She has 4 kids, blah blah blah.

 

She has paid her £80 fixed penalty to the Criminal Law system.

 

So RLP and Tesco can charge for a security guards time, but the Police do not charge the step Daughter for their time and effort? Laughable really.....

 

I am posting her letter and will keep the group informed of any further correspondence after sending "JACKIE" a one liner....

 

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If you read the other posts about RLP on here, it certainly does open your mind to what a set of con artists they are.

 

Have Tesco's sent RLP a Bill of £191.50 in my scenario?

 

Will Tesco get any commission of the £191.50?

 

Will every little help?

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Tesco will be completely unaware of any action which RLP are taking in their name - there is almost certainly only an 'understanding'

 

If RLP are successful in fleecing somebody then Tesco will get a kickback, but the lion's share will remain with RLP

 

Makes you wonder how RLP can claim that the payment demanded is for the supermarket's 'costs' in dealing with an incident and in providing security resources when they don't actually receive most of the money that is paid? Yet another reason why an RLP demand can never be a genuine pre-estimate of loss n'est pas?

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Hi Guys / Gals

 

Thought I would update my little predicament with Rlp. Step daughter has ignored letters from RLP, but it appears she opened the brown envelope that Scotcall sent their begging letter in. I attach a copy for reference.

 

[ATTACH=CONFIG]49834[/ATTACH]

 

Is it still the same advice and ignore Scotcall?

 

I have tried to console Step-daughter, but she is getting a bit stressed with the words court and legal action

 

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Send a letter to Scotcall:

 

Dear Sirs

 

I refer to your letter dated xxxxx.

 

Any debt or liability to your client, or any company they claim to represent, is denied.

 

No further correspondence will be entered into.

 

Yours etc.

 

This usually does the trick, because Scotcall know (or should know) that RLP's speculative invoices are not substantive debts. Once you have denied liability you are clearly disputing the matter. The OFT rules require them to cease collection activity in these circumstances. You may get a couple more of RLP's begging letters, but you are near the end now.

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Hi Guys and Gals,

 

Think the penny has finally dropped with me in regards to how these people operate. If I sign a credit agreement for a loan / car finance the creditor, by law can take you to court and file for return off money owed and last resort Baliffs?

 

As I have not signed any agreement with RLP / SNOTCALL how can they ask for any monies. Is this the same thing as me sending a letter to RLP, with an invoice asking for £45 administrative services?

 

Regards

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Guys / Gals,

 

would just like to add my layman terms on how I see this situation. How many people around this country receive these letters pay UP and do not have the power of CAG?

 

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Hi Guys and Gals,

 

Think the penny has finally dropped with me in regards to how these people operate. If I sign a credit agreement for a loan / car finance the creditor, by law can take you to court and file for return off money owed and last resort Baliffs?

 

As I have not signed any agreement with RLP / SNOTCALL how can they ask for any monies. Is this the same thing as me sending a letter to RLP, with an invoice asking for £45 administrative services?

 

Regards

 

 

 

That's it, more or less. RLP's business model is called speculative invoicing.

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Hi Guys and Gals,

 

Just a quick update on my case, RLP have started texting the Step-daughter as discussed on this site....

 

Thanks CAG, we are well informed and armed with your expert information.

 

Kind regards

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You could send them a unilateral contract that state unless they produce "strict proof" of a debt that is the result of a contract between yourself and any party they represent then they agree that they are corresponding with you for the purposes of your acting as a marketing consultant and that they agree to pay you the sum of £80 per letter you are sent and the same sum for any reply you send as a result.

This will be more enforceable than their supposed debt.

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Hi Guys / Gals,

 

Having a few problems with signing off with Virgin at Mo, they seem to think that are family signing an engineers upgrade sheet,equates to signing a new contract. Is this correct?

 

kIND REGARDS

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Hi Guys / Gals,

 

Having a few problems with signing off with Virgin at Mo, they seem to think that are family signing an engineers upgrade sheet,equates to signing a new contract. Is this correct?

 

kIND REGARDS

 

Best to start a new thread for your Virgin problems....can't see that this is relevant to your RLP issue?

 

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If scotcall are involved then youre almost at the end of jackies harassment campaign. Either ignore them completely or simply tell them that there is no debt and you will be forming a full complaint to the regulators.

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Hi Guys / Gals,

 

Just an update to this particular problem with RLP, and basically there is nothing to report.....

 

""THEY HAVE BUGGERED OFF""

 

So, for anyone reading who has problems with RLP, take advice from this group, "THEY GUD MAN"

 

Thanks Again....

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Not "disappeared", just found another victim to harass - Although I fear they may be on to a mighty good hiding if they continue to pursue Madamfluff. :razz:

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