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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
    • Thanks for all the suggestions so far I will amend original WS and send again for review.  While looking at my post at very beginning when I submitted photos of signs around the car park I noticed that it says 5 hours maximum stay while the signage sent by solicitor shows 4 hours maximum stay but mine is related to electric bay abuse not sure if this can be of any use in WS.
    • Not sure what to make of that or what it means for me, I was just about to head to my kip and it's a bit too late for legalise. When is the "expenditure occured"?  When they start spending money to write to me?  Or is this a bad thing (as "harsh" would imply)? When all is said and done, I do not have two beans to rub together, we rent our home and EVERYTHING of value has been purchased by and is in my wife's name and we are not financially linked in any way.  So at least if I can't escape my fate I can at least know that they will get sweet FA from me anyway   edit:  ah.. Sophia Harrison: Time bar decision tough on claimants WWW.SCOTTISHLEGAL.COM Time bar is a very complex area of law in Scotland relating to the period in which a claim for breach of duty can be pursued. The Scottish government...   This explains it like I am 5.  So, a good thing then because creditors clearly know they have suffered a loss the minute I stop paying them, this is why it is "harsh" (for them, not me)? Am I understanding this correctly?  
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Hello. I was an employee who was made redundant by my employer. I represented myself at an employment tribunal, who found in my favour on all counts. They judged that it had been unfair dismissal and sex discrimination and made an award of around £10,000 although I don’t expect any of it will be paid.

At the start of the hearing my employer’s solicitor tried to wriggle, suggesting to the judge that they were not a legal entity. The business is run by a managing committee of volunteers (an unincorporated association) and is also a registered charity (registered with the charities commission). However, don’t let that draw sympathy, the hearing revealed how badly the charity was being managed and how the charitable funds were being wasted. The judge said that they are a registered charity and therefore a legal entity.

So although they may wish to describe themselves as an unincorporated association, they did enter into employment contracts with me and other staff in the name of the charity and have assets in the name of the charity.

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So with the status of the respondent being a registered charity (claiming to be an unincorporated association), who should I address the high court enforcement order to? The managing committee will all be stepping down from their positions and running for cover. Should I put the name and address of the charity, or the present chair of the managing committee, or the then chair of the managing committee at the time of the redundancy, or the managing committee secretary who signed the paper work, or all the managing committee members by name?

I’m not expecting to see any money paid to me but I don’t want to make it easy for them to wriggle of the hook and continue operating either. Thank you so much for taking a look at my thread. x

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Hello Alicia, welcome to CAG.

 

I'm going to merge your threads into the General Legal forum, where I expect the guys will be along to advise you later. Having duplicate threads generally leads to confusion, so better to have all the information together. :)

 

My best, HB

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I have moved your thread to the bailiff forum as although it is usually for people being chased by bailiffs there are also some excellent minds to assist in enforcing a judgement

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Around 3 or 4 years ago the Government introduced regulations whereby anyone who has won an Employment Tribunal Award can have their award "fast tracked" to a High Court Enforcement Officer" to enforce. There is a fee of £60 that you will be required to pay.

 

Regarding the confusion surrounding the legal basis of the defendant, this will be addressed by the relevant firm of High Court Officers that you choose. They have access to "tracing" facilities.

 

Hopefully, somebody will be along shortly to provide some more assistance.

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Unfortunately we cannot recommend a particular company to use so that has to your own choice. It would certainly pay you to talk to some different ones first before making any decision. Any good firm of HCEO's should be able to answer any queries you have and a timescale in which this may be done.

 

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Hello Alicia86,

 

well congrats on a successful claim.

 

I'm not a legal person at all - but I have spent some time knocking around the charity sector.

 

An unincorporated association is a coming together of a number of individual members for a common purpose - a toddler group, a sports club - that sort of thing. They may have a constitution and hold meetings of course; but an unincorporated association has no legal existence - it is not recognised in law.

 

Although they would not have had to seek the approval of any regulatory body before the association was set up - if the association's income is regularly over £5k per annum, then I believe they are required to register with the Charity Commission. I'm not sure that then makes them a legal entity (as per the judge's opinion at your hearing)? (It would be interesting to have a contributor with a legal background clarify that point please?)

 

As an unincorporated association, it's members are meant to be personally responsible for the group's obligations and debts - including this judgement of yours. They could appeal this ET decision of course.

 

I'm sure it might be worthwhile seeking guidance from the high court officers at this stage; but it may well be that you should name all those on the management committee. If they dissolve the association and run for cover it still does not absolve them of their erstwhile responsibilities while the association was still operating.

 

Hope that helps.

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There was a legal entity at the other end of the employment contract AND it is a registered charity. I would go for their bank account if they do not pay within the Tribunal's deadline/procedure.

Affleck v Newcastle Mind [1999] ICR 852, [1999] IRLR 405, EAT. looks to be a reference case.

http://www.bailii.org/uk/cases/UKEAT/1999/537_98_1003.html

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There was a legal entity at the other end of the employment contract AND it is a registered charity. I would go for their bank account if they do not pay within the Tribunal's deadline/procedure.

Affleck v Newcastle Mind [1999] ICR 852, [1999] IRLR 405, EAT. looks to be a reference case.

http://www.bailii.org/uk/cases/UKEAT/1999/537_98_1003.html

 

Thanks lamma, that reference made interesting reading. To be clear though - an unincorporated association may be considered a 'legal structure' but it is not a legal entity - it is not recognised in law. It would seem that simply registering with the Charity Commission does not automatically incorporate a voluntary organisation.

 

Reading the EAT decision of the Newcastle Mind case, it would seem that they were a charitable trust - i.e. the management committee/trustees did not own the assets. Also the responsibility for any contracts of employment sat with the management committee - not the charitable trust. As such that committee would have had no protection of limited liability and as such were personally liable, it would seem.

 

Likewise, in this case, the liability would appear to sit with the management/executive committee, whether they were managing a charitable trust or not, they are personally liable for this debt. How that liability is borne between them is another matter.

 

On reflection, in response to Alicia86's query (as to who to name on any high court order), I suppose the most straightforward answer might be to list the respondents in the case.

 

It would be insightful to find out whether individual members of the committee were listed as respondents or they simply used the name of the unincorporated association itself?

 

Furthermore I believe Tribunals do not usually set deadlines for payment. They tend to use the more flexible term 'forthwith' rather than set a specific date/time.

 

I hope that stacks up OK - though any further help/clarity on this would be most useful; this site is pretty cool isn't it? - we can try to help others and learn more ourselves. :-)

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Thank you Lamma. The charity produced bank statements and crude balance sheets at the hearing to paint a picture of being in financial difficulties. However, the judge spotted that they had more than one bank account, one was paying the other and some or the items on the balance sheets were falsified. So from what I gather, the charity are trying to hide any moneys that they have, and hide bank accounts. Do you think I will need to investigate this before handing it over to the HCEO or is this something the HCEO looks into?

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Thank you Lamma. I gathered from that, that the respondent (the charity in name) in my case is the legal entity to be held account, and specifically that includes each individual identified as a member of the managing committee (the trustees) on the date that I was made redundant.

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Good luck Alicia86,

 

lamma's reference to the Newcastle Mind case throws some light on the difficulties that can be thrown up around one particular point. Useful.

 

You have done the hard part though, I'm sure we all wish you the best with recovering what is owed.

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My reading of the Newcastle Mind case is that the executive committee are the one's responsible for this debt - not the charitable trust (assuming there was one). Therefore it may be the total assets of the committee members that may be the issue here, not those of the trust?

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We have enforced against registered charities on several occasions.

 

The laws around High Court Enforcement were specifically modified recently to allow them a 'fast track' process to assist those that win their employment tribunals.

 

If you decide to use an HCEO the writ will cost you a mere £60 (recoverable from the debtor) and unlike normal judgments there will be no abortive fee (usually £60 plus VAT).

 

The HCEO is clearly your first port of call. If you Google "employment tribunal hceo" you'll no doubt find more information.

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the "committee" is liable for the debts and this means personally if they want to try and hide the charity money. The names and addresses of the members should be available and you chase those who are in the current positions or if no replacemnt for those that have resigned then you chase them as they are still liable.

When you have your compensation report them to the Charities Commission.

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