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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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Hi I have just been awarded partial ill health retirement backdated to end August 2013. I have now received a letter saying my employment will be terminated from the same date and I would receive any outstanding holiday pay.When I queried why I would not receive any notice pay and why there was no notification of my contract being terminated I was told that as I had requested to be considered for ill health retirement, I had effectively handed in my notice and would not be entitled to notice pay. I have been with this employer for 21 years. I would appreciate feedback as I have lost trust in my employer. If it's right then that's ok but I'm not convinced. Thanks

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Hello and welcome to CAG. I'm sorry to hear about your problems.

 

While we're waiting for the forum guys to be able to get here, I think it might help to advise you if you could tell us whether your employer is public or private sector please.

 

It may or may not be relevant, but I'm confused about your reference to partial ill health retirement. Is it because you can't do the job you used to but could do other work, for example?

 

My best, HB

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Hi honeybee13 I work in the private sector and yes they allege that I may be able to do some sort of work in the future. I don't believe I will as my condition will only deteriorate, however, I don't have the strength to argue this. The OH report was in my view ambiguous and I did write to dispute the findings to no avail. If I'm not due notice pay then that is fair enough but I now don't trust either my rep or management and just need another unbiased opinion. Thanks

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Talk us through the process you went through to be retired please. Step by step :)

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Talk us through the process you went through to be retired please. Step by step :)

 

Hi I was diagnosed with PBC in 2011 and my symptoms impacted so much on my working life I eventually went off at end of August 2012

 

There was minimal contact from my employer, maybe 3 phone calls to"see how I was" until I was contacted to attend an OH meeting in July 2012. I was asked some questions however, the OH person informed me he knew all about PBC.

 

I was then invited to a meeting on 8/8 to discuss the report despite not having seen it until the day of the meeting. The report stated that if all parties agreed a return to work could be attempted in a clerical role and I may be able to build up to between 12 and 15 hours per week. If this was not an option then retiral on ill health should be considered and that my own medical advisors may not agree.

 

A job was offered however it was never really a viable option. I suffer from severe fatigue and bone pain. Sometimes I have a good day but more often that not I can do a little at home then need to rest. It would also cut my salary from £40k per annum to £8k and effect my final salary pension.

 

I refused the job as apart from the fact I don't believe I'm fit to do it, I have never done any clerical work and financially I couldn't afford to do it. On this basis I was informed on 24/10 I had been granted partial ill health retirement backdated to 28/8.

 

I then received a letter on 26/10 stating that as the ill health retirement had been granted my termination date would also be 28/8 and I was due holiday pay which would be paid on the next pay date.

 

I was then told, when I queried no notice pay, that as I had applied to the scheme for ill Heath retirement I was effectively handing in my notice. It has upset me more so because my career was ended in a six line letter.

 

I have had conflicting advice and hope that someone can clarify this for me. As I said if I'm not entitled to it then that's fine but it's only my employer who is telling me this.

 

Sorry this is so long but trying to give you all the relevant information. Thank you

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what I am confused by

- I have only worked with schemes where you are TOLD you are being retired - it seems unusual to have to apply, you are either fit or not. Did you actually have to fill in a form or something?

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I received a letter saying that he was sorry I didn't feel I could take up the clerical position and would I write and confirm I wished to be considered for ill health retirement under the rules of the scheme.

 

I wrote stating why I did not believe I was fit to work at all and disputing their interpretation of the OH report. I also had no choice but to confirm that I wished to be considered for ill health retirement as proposed by the OH report.

 

I then received a letter saying that the trustees would consider this at the next meeting on 22/10. I did feel at the time that I was being put in the position that they would say I had forfeited my right to notice, however when I mentioned this to my rep he said that they couldn't do that.

 

He has since backed down from that position and is now on holiday. I just feel a bit isolated now. Also at no time have they sought a report from my GP or Consultant they obviously prefer to misinterpret the OH report.

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When I challenged the report they basically ignored me. I have decided not to pursue this as I don't feel I can put myself through any more. It's been a difficult year with this and other things that I would rather not go into. I'm only looking for some advice re the notice pay. Thanks

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Only my opinion but I would say, that they are right in that you had asked for ill health retirement.

 

I know you don't have the energy to pursue this but I would ask for the details of the pension scheme.

 

You could contact the pension dept and ask them.

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Thanks that's all I needed to know. I know I was conned into making the request but was being told that they couldn't do that. I just needed another opinion. If I had been firing on all cylinders this wouldn't have happened but I guess I would still be working in that case lol. I can let it go now and move on I'm just sad it has ended this way. Thanks again for your help.

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Can I just pause and offer some sympathy?

 

I've been through a number of IHR procedures, some with employees I was very fond of, and knew that at their best, they were exceptional employees. Illness sucks.

 

I am not sure you are quite accepting that you are ill yet, and the impact of it. You don't want to be retied but are too weak to argue this case, and can't do more than a few hours a week without being exhausted.

 

Can you ask your doctor to refer you for some counselling to help you adapt? For my condition there are specialist nurses to cope with some of the mental health issues arising and with physical adjustments needed.

 

This seems like it would be more helpful than anything else.

 

Back to your question - was something in the form saying your notice was handed in immediately etc etc - ask for a copy of what you signed.

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Hi thanks for that. It wasn't a form. I had to respond to his letter which was worded " can you please confirm that you wish to be considered for ill health retirement under the terms of the scheme" in my reply I said I did wish to be considered as recommended in the OH report.

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In which case, you need a copy of the terms of the scheme - is it a pension scheme? Talking to the trustees may be helpful. There may be a contact number on the scheme booklet?

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