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    • I have just read the smaller print on their signs. It says that you can pay at the end of your parking session. given that you have ten minutes grace period the 35 seconds could easily have been taken up with walking back to your car, switching on the engine and then driving out. Even in my younger days when I used to regularly exceed speed limits, I doubt I could have done that in 35 seconds even when I  had a TR5.
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Geoff, sorry, I've not been on for a while. See my comments below. As you can see it's still ongoing. I've just this minute sent my appeal to POPLA, although I've still got to send some evidence. Need a bit of advice on what to send though, apart from the correspondence. I suppose I could take a picture of entrance to car park. Watch this space to see what happens!!

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If you intend to write to POPLA then include the letters and particularly the ones you have received and point out that your appeal should be granted by default as ANPR have failed to follow the Code of Practice. POPLA may say that without an appeal referece you cannot appeal but there again, ANPR cant chase you either unless they supply a referenece No. so it is open to another appeal which will again be defaulted in your favour for breach of practice.

They cannot go to court for the same reason and if they tried a counterclaim for a few hundred quid for harassment and vexatious litigation will be in order.

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Hi, I did the appeal to POPLA on line yesterday. I didn't attach any correspondence as I don't have ANPR letters on computer. I'm going to scan them tomorrow when I get to work then I'll be able to send the lot. The letter they sent dated 1st October with the verification code, didn't state that it was for appeal to POPLA and I had no idea what it was, so I decided to ignore the ref, when I responded to them again with the copy of my original letter. I think I've just made the deadline for sending in the appeal. I wish I knew how to send the lot to you so that you can see the trail.

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Hi James, I've just received a letter from their 'Debt Collectors, H&S Litigation' even although my Popla appeal is still ongoing. I've advised Popla of this and reiterated my previous points. H&S even sent me a copy of the agreement between ANPR and the proprietor, which does not mention anything about a charge of £100 if they allow people to park on car park. I'm going to scan it tomorrow when I get to work and send on to POPLA. My partner has just shown me a site called Parking Prankster. Have a look at it with ref to ANPR, they have just lost a POPLA appeal. It's a very refreshing read and should put your mind at rest.

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Hi James, I've just received a letter from their 'Debt Collectors, H&S Litigation' even although my Popla appeal is still ongoing. I've advised Popla of this and reiterated my previous points. H&S even sent me a copy of the agreement between ANPR and the proprietor, which does not mention anything about a charge of £100 if they allow people to park on car park. I'm going to scan it tomorrow when I get to work and send on to POPLA. My partner has just shown me a site called Parking Prankster. Have a look at it with ref to ANPR, they have just lost a POPLA appeal. It's a very refreshing read and should put your mind at rest.

 

 

I got letter of intent today even though I haven't got the popla papers to appeal ( waiting for anrp to send them) trying to attach all letters ive had but not finding it easy lol

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it says

 

This debt is now being passed to H&S Litigation Services Ltd.

The appropriate agency will seek a court order instigating the recovery of debt.

 

Payment cannot be made to ANPR directly.

 

If however your payment is in the post notify us IMMEDIATELY to prevent further costs. If you are unsure you can visit anpr website

 

that's the whole letter so when I got it I phoned them up and they said they will send me details to appeal to popla

 

it also says Owing to ANPR Ltd £140.00

 

I tried uploading the letters I got but it wont let me if you have an email address ill send them to you.

I never appealed to anpr

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They think they are clever with their wording the "appropriate agency" can only be ANPR ltd or an solicitor acting for them. H&S Litigation are either ANPR trying to scare people or they are acting illegally as the have no credit licence so can not collect 3rd party debts.

 

Watch out if they do send you a letter the POPLA code may well be disguised.

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Hi folks, just to let you all know that I got response from POPLA today by email saying that my appeal had been UPHELD. WooHoo. Who says Friday 13th is a bad luck day......well maybe for ANPR. What a bunch of shysters. POPLA says their signs weren't clearly visible to cars entering the car park and that also, they hadn't demonstratedthat there was a genuine pre-estimate of loss for Liquidated damages or that there were indeed any losses as a result of parking there. I think a victory for ordinary people and common sense.

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It does make you wonder how these companies manage to screw things upso often bearing in mind they are doing this all day every day and we are playing to their rules. we should have a day when all this is collated and sent to every MP and tell them that this is what the legislation lobbied for by the BPA and its members has brought upon the public and look how much time and effort has been expended by people to get these charlatans toobey the rules they set and perhaps a fining system should be intoroduced for every improperly issued ticket successfully appealed at PoPLA or court. That would make them squeak.

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Hi Bettyboo1954

 

I'm about to send my appeal into POPLA for the excat same carpark on a saturday night last August .My POPLA appeal has taken over my life for a week now !!!

 

I acually found out the owners Name, address and home tel number .And they live 2 good drive's a 3 wood and a stiif 7 iron from me .for the non golfers about 1000 yards

 

The PPC companys will try anywhich way to make money we live in a greedy world . Its the system or lack of it that allows them to get away with it which bother's me more .It takes us 10 years to remove an alleged Terriost for our country but we can only have 28 days to appeal an un lawfull parking ticket .or we run the risk of possibilly been taken to court !!

 

what i cant understand about some of the land owners is how much harm they are doing to the independant traders who pay them rent .If every one stops shopping there the shop's will go bust so no rent to the land owner!!! I'm going to write to all the shops on Lodge drive to let them know I'll now only shop in the multiples or large chain stores and beleaive me we did shop there

.I work for the largest opthalmic lens companay in the world our goal is to make sure the independant Opticians survive .Sadly A battle they are losing And things like this dont help them

 

I've really struggled with the whole appeal process... I'm niether clever or thick but god help some people.. But then thats what the PPC'S pray on .I nearly gave up myself Lets hope i'm as sucsessful as you

Kind regards

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Hi, I must thank the CAG for all the information I found on this site which helped me enormously in my fight against these morons. It took a lot of my time, but was worth it in the end. I sent POPLA my own pictures as their aerial diagram was a lot of tosh. There was definitely no sign at the entrance to the car park and as far as LDs are concerned, I personally, don't believe that they would have a leg to stand on if it went to court. The onus is on them to prove they have suffered loss as a result of you parking on the site, which they obviously didn't provide to POPLA. I suggest that if the Landlord really doesn't want people to park at weekends when shops are closed, then they should instruct their contractor (ANPR) to erect a barrier. The parish council has had a meeting with the Landowner to try and appeal to her to lift the restrictions on the car park to no avail, as apparently, she is disinterested. Good luck with your appeal. If you follow the advice on this site, I'm sure you'll succeed.

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Hi

 

It would seem my appeal cant be sent due to ANPR being decitful with the popla code .I did the same with loads of work,research and photos all to poss to no avail

 

Looks like i'll have to start with new letters to DVLA and BPA .Time i haven't got (wife fighting cancer at the moment) Its taken a week of my life to do this

 

But hey thats what they pray on

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Sorry to hear of your troubles. They tried to sucker me into missing the deadline too by supplying a 'verification number' on their first letter to me. It was only by reading this site that I managed to get my appeal in on time using the original number they gave me. I've just been reading your thread and every bit of correspondence they sent to you, I have received, apart from the court claim form. I wouldn't worry if I were you, as you have enough information to hand to smash them if it goes to court, which I very much doubt. I'd just ignore them from now on and only respond if you get official court papers (which I very much doubt you'll get). They are a bunch of shysters and I'm sure all the good people on this site will help you towards your inevitable win. Take care

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