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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
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I am also getting calls from Credit Corp in Australia as well They are sending me a notice of assesment via emil. The debt is 12500 and i have not made any paymetns for about 12 months i now live in the UK now and they are telling me they are going to send to the UK.Will this affect my UK rating ?Can anyone help please???

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I am also getting calls from Credit Corp in Australia as well They are sending me a notice of assesment via emil. The debt is 12500 and i have not made any paymetns for about 12 months i now live in the UK now and they are telling me they are going to send to the UK.Will this affect my UK rating ?Can anyone help please???

I have received another email from credit corps stating the following:

 

I can confirm your recent dealings with xxxxx in my team regarding this and that it was your intention to make contact with him upon your return to work last week. Sadly this has not happened and xxxx has today escalated the matter to me for the consideration of outsourcing. Our UK agents, Stevensdrake Solicitors, are standing by awaiting my instructions and I must recommend your urgent respnse to this email with a payment proposal. Payments can be made via our website ww.creditcorp.com.au however the amount and frequency will need my approval first.

 

Should I just ignore the email or respond claiming that I have had no contact with his team member and have no knowledge of the debt? Should I ask them to email me proof of the debt. I am about to go away for a month and am worried that this may escalate to court action whilst I am away. At present they only have my work email address (which I am about to leave) but I am sure that UK solicitors would be able to track my address down.

 

Urgent advice needed please.

 

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I was wondering if anyone could help - They have been ringing my manager asking for me while I have been away on holiday...Is this legal is there anything I can do stop them such as reporting them etc???

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Start making a list of times and dates etc, who they spoke to and what they said. It will come in handy for any other complaints you need to make. See http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?265807-More-AUS-debt-being-chased-in-the-UK for an example of someone who was contacted at work.

 

BTW also they need permission from you to send emails. If they dont have it they can be reported for privacy breaches.

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I'm a bit scared to reply to a email as doesnt that start the debt again The debt is only 12 months old so looks like i get this for the next 5 years???Or should i send a email stating please do not contact me by phone etc??

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Dont email them or have any contact. If they call you refuse to answer security questions for privacy/security reasons.

The debt clock will only restart if you admit to the debt and sign something to that effect.

If you do email or write at any time start your mail or letter with I DO NOT ACKNOWLEDGE ANY DEBT WITH CREDIT CORP OR ANY OTHER ORGANISATION YOU CLAIM TO REPRESENT.

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Impossible to say. Some DCA's hound people for months, others 2 or 3 times and then give up.

Any advice i give is my own and is based solely on personal experience. If in any doubt about a situation , please contact a certified legal representative or debt counsellor..

 

 

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From what i have seen in the past and read on this forum credit corp will not give in easy and will perhaps stop contact for a while maybe 6 months or so and then start all over again. They will search social network sites like linkedin for your details and come at you again every time they think they have a new phone number or address. If they are sure they have your home address they will request Stevensdrake solicitors here in the uk to try their luck and threaten all sorts of stuff.

It all depends on how much contact info they have on you and how much documentation they have on the debt. Every case is different.

Hope that helps

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its weird how they got my work details, i know they dont have my UK address Is the Steven Drake thing something that will happen? Is it hard to deal with them ? Or do you just ignore them ?Or wait till steven Drake offer a reduced pay out?

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So Credit Corp have rang my manager again asking for me.They passed a note on that the problem can be passed to LondonI have reported them to the ACCCShould I email them and tell them I have reported her?

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So Credit Corp have rang my manager again asking for me.They passed a note on that the problem can be passed to LondonI have reported them to the ACCCShould I email them and tell them I have reported her?

 

If Credit Corp are operating outside of the UK, then the OFT guidelines on debt collection don't apply to them. You will have to complain to the Aussie authorities and hope that they get them to stop.

 

As for your Manager, if they don't know about this debt, just tell them that this company keep harassing you about some loan they want to transfer to the UK from Australia, which you don't want to do.

 

If there is no court judgement in Aus, then they cannot do much. It is up to CC to take forward relevant court proceedings in Aus in your absence and then to transfer to the High Court in London, if they want to do so. Obviously there is a cost to this, which they are trying to avoid.

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The loan ammount is $15,000 do you think they will? They were suppose to send the debt to the UK end of feb when they contacted me on the first time

 

Empty threats mostly. If you ever receive a court claim from a UK court, you will have to dispute jurisdiction. There is a thread in the legal issues folder by Rebecca H, where CC have just passed the debt to UK Solicitors, who issued a county court claim and jurisdiction is being disputed. They have not followed the correct court procedure for Australian debts to be heard in the UK, so are unlikely to get anywhere. Under legislation, I believe CC would have to obtain court judgement in Aus and then transfer the claim to the High Court in London.

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They wont apply for a court order in Aus as the OP does not live there and much like the uk if you dont live there you cant get a judgment against a non resident. At least thats the way i see it.

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