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    • no i meant the email from parcel2go which email address did they send it from and who signed it off (whos name is at the bottom)
    • I understand confusion with this thread.  I tried to keep threads separate because there have been so many angles.    But a team member merged them all.  This is why it's hard to keep track. This forum exists to help little people fight injustice - however big or small.  Im here to try get a decent resolution. Not to give in to the ' big boys'. My "matter' became complicated 'matters' simply because a lender refused to sell a property. What can I say?  I'll try in a nutshell to give an overview: There's a long lease property. I originally bought it short lease with a s.146 on it from original freeholder.  I had no concerns. So lender should have been able to sell a well-maintained lovely long lease property.  The property was great. The issue is not the property.  Economy, sdlt increases, elections, brexit, covid, interest hikes etc didn't help.  The issue is simple - the lender wanted to keep it.    Before repo I offered to clear my loan.  I was a bit short and lender refused.  They said (recorded) they thought the property was worth much more and they were happy to keep accruing interest (in their benefit) until it reached a point where they felt they could repo and still easily quickly sell to get their £s back.  This was a mistake.  The market was (and is) tough.   2y later the lender ceo bid the same sum to buy the property for himself. He'd rejected higher offers in the intervening period whilst accruing interest. I had the property under offer to a fantastic niche buyer but lender rushed to repo and buyer got spooked and walked.  It had taken a long time to find such a lucrative buyer.  A sale which would have resulted in £s and another asset for me. Post repo lender had 1 offer immediately.  But dragged out the process for >1y - allegedly trying to get other offers. But disclosure shows there was only one valid buyer. Lender appointed receiver (after 4 months) - simply to try acquire the freehold.  He used his powers as receiver to use me, as leaseholder, to serve notice on freeholders.  Legally that failed. Meanwhile lender failed to secure property - and squatters got in (3 times).  And they failed to maintain it.  So freeholders served a dilapidations notice (external) - on me as leaseholder (cc-ed to lender).   (That's how it works legally) I don't own the freehold.  But I am a trustee and have to do right by the freeholders.  This is where matters got/ get complicated.  And probably lose most caggers.   Lawyers got involved for the freeholders to firstly void the receiver enfranchisement notice. Secondly, to serve the dilapidations notice.  The lack of maintenance was in breach of lease and had to be served to protect fh asset. The lender did no repairs. They said a buyer would undertake them. Which was probably correct. If they had sold. After 1y lender finally agreed to sell to the 1st offeror and contracts went with lawyers.  Within 1 month lender reneged.  Lender tried to suggest buyer walked. Evidence shows he/ his lawyers continued trying to exchange (cash) for 4 months.  Evidence shows lender and receiver strategy had been to renege and for ceo to take control.   I still think that's their plan. Lender then stupidly chose to pretty much bulldoze the property.  Other stuff was going on in the background. After repo I was in touch by phone and email and lender knew post got to me.   Despite this, after about 10 months (before and then during covid), they deliberately sent SDs and eventually a B petition to an incorrect address and an obscure small court.  They never served me properly.  (In hindsight I understand they hoped to get a backdoor B - so they could keep the property that way.)  Eventually the random court told them to email me by way of service.  At this point their ruse to make me B failed.  I got a lawyer (friend paid). The B petition was struck out. They’d failed to include the property as an asset. They were in breach of insolvency rules. Simultaneously the receiver again appointed lawyers to act on my behalf as leaseholder. This time to serve notice on the freeholders for a lease extension.  He had hoped to try and vary the strict lease. Evidence shows the already long length of lease wasn't an issue.  The lender obviously hoped to get round their lack of permission to do works (which they were already doing) by hoping to remove the strict clauses that prevent leaseholder doing alterations.   The extension created a new legal angle for me to deal with.  I had to act as trustee for freeholders against me as leaseholder/ the receiver.  Inconsistencies and incompetence by receiver lawyers dragged this out 3y.  It still isn't properly resolved.  Meanwhile - going back to the the works the lender undertook. The works were consciously in breach of lease.  The lender hadn't remedied the breaches listed in the dilapidations notice.  They destroyed the property.  The trustees compiled all evidence.  The freeholders lawyers then served a forfeiture notice. This notice started a different legal battle. I was acting for the freeholders against what the lender had done on my behalf as leaseholder.  This legal battle took 3y to resolve. The simple exit would have been for lender to sell. A simple agreement to remedy the breaches and recompense the freeholders in compensation - and there's have been clean title to sell.  That option was proposed to them.   This happened by way of mediation for all parties 2y ago.  A resolution option was put forward and in principle agreed.  But immediately after the lender lawyers failed to engage.  A hard lesson to learn - mediation cannot be referred to in court. It's considered w/o prejudice. The steps they took have made no difference to their ability to sell the property.  Almost 3y since they finished works they still haven't sold. ** ** I followed up some leads myself.  A qualified cash buyer offered me a substantial sum.  The lender and receiver both refused it.   I found another offer in disclosure.  6 months later someone had apparently offered a substantial sum via an agent.  The receiver again rejected it.  The problem of course was that the agent had inflated the market price to get the business. But no-one was or is ever going to offer their list price.  Yet the receiver wanted/wants to hold out for the list price.  Which means 1y later not only has it not sold - disclosure shows few viewings and zero interest.  It's transparently over-priced.  And tarnished. For those asking why I don't give up - I couldn't/ can't.  Firstly I have fiduciary duties as a trustee. Secondly, legal advice indicates I (as leaseholder) could succeed with a large compensation claim v the lender.  Also - I started a claim v my old lawyer and the firm immediately reimbursed some £s. That was encouraging.  And a sign to continue.  So I'm going for compensation.  I had finance in place (via friend) to do a deal and take the property back off the lender - and that lawyer messed up bad.   He should have done a deal.  Instead further years have been wasted.   Maybe I only get back my lost savings - but that will be a result.   If I can add some kind of complaint/ claim v the receiver's conscious impropriety I will do so.   I have been left with nothing - so fighting for something is worth it. The lender wants to talk re a form of settlement.  Similar to my proposal 2y ago.  I have a pretty clear idea of what that means to me.  This is exactly why I do not give up.  And why I continue to ask for snippets of advice/ pointers on cag.  
    • It was all my own work based on my previous emails to P2G which Bank has seen.
    • I was referring to #415 where you wrote "I was forced to try to sell - and couldn't." . And nearer the start in #79 .. "I couldn't sell.  I had an incredibly valuable asset. Huge equity.  But the interest accrued / the property market suffered and I couldn't find a buyer even at a level just to clear the debt." In #194 you said you'd tried to sell for four years.  The reason for these points is that a lot of the claims against for example your surveyor, solicitor, broker, the lender and now the receiver are mainly founded in a belief that they should have been able to do something but did not. Things that might seem self evident to you but not necessarily to others. Pressing these claims may well need a bit more hard evidence, rather than an appeal to common sense. Can you show evidence of similar properties, with similar freehold issues, selling readily? And solid reasons why the lender should have been able to sell when you couldn't.
    • You can use a family's address.   The only caveat is for the final hearing you'd need to be there in person   HOWEVER i'd expect them to pay if its only £200 because costs of attending will be higher than that
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Hi there,

A bit of an update!

As predicted, the 28 days given by the court for the other side to produce information, has passed and when my husband phoned the court he was told that nothing had been submitted there. Yesterday we received a letter from the original creditor re our PPI complaint and confirming that PPI was mis-sold, offering us a full refund of the original amount plus interest.

What is likely to happen next? Will the court contact us with a date for another hearing or will they automatically set aside given the other side haven't responded in their 28 days? Thanks again for everything :)

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Suggest that you contact the court and push for the set aside to be granted. Also update them with the PPI reclaim, if this relates to the debt set aside.

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Thanks for that. Sorry for the late response, I've been working a lot of night shifts over the last week or so and haven't had chance to get on here. We have actually got a court date now for an 'Adjourned Hearing' on the 19th March. It's says we should allow 2 hours for the hearing. Should we write a letter and hand deliver it to the court this week so that we don't need to go or should we go and put our case forward face to face? Sorry if this is just going to make you repeat yourself! :)

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As there is now a hearing, you will have to attend and deal with the set aside. If you fail to attend and they do, the next step will be a bankruptcy petition.

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Ok fair enough. The date for the hearing was actually sent out to us within a week of our last court appearance - dated 22nd January so we would never have had the option of just writing to the court really as this was still 14 days before the time ran out for them to provide their information? Do we just reiterate what we said he first time then as our defence? Basically we can't prove that it was statute barred but they have been unable to prove that it isn't. Also as they have provided no evidence of payments made on the account etc they can't really prove what payments have ever been made on the account and where they are getting their figures from? Also as we have had a cheque through for mis-sold PPI does that mean anything with the credit agreement? Does mis-sold PPI invalidate it at all? We have banked the PPI cheque and have no plans to touch it so if we DO have to make a payment on this we will have some money to use. Thanks again for all help on this - as long as the money doesn't get gobbled up by this debt we will be makin a donation to this website as we wouldn't have coped without it and would have probable been made bankrupt by now!

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One other quick question, what happens if they turn up to court on the 19th with all the relevant paperwork? Are they still allowed to use it as the 21 days have passed?

 

Yes I think they can, as I think I read that the previous hearing was adjourned, so this next one is just a continuation. It would be up to the judge to decide based on what is produced. This is not really my area of knowledge, so hopefully someone will be along to explain what court procedures you may be able to use to help.

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But if they turn up on the day and we haven't had a chance to look through any of it, how can we prepare our defence? Would we be able to ask for time to respond? Isn't that why they were supposed to submit their stuff within 28 days. The 28 days was the 'extra time' given by the court as they didn't have it last time! Hubby and I are both reading through other threads too to try to learn some more :)

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Hi Bell

 

If they fail to disclose before your hearing...simply inform the court that they have failed to comply with the DJ Directions from the hearing dated xx xxxxx xxxx.

 

If they disclose less than 3 days before or on the day you simply tell the DJ that you have not had time to consider any disclosure and that they have failed to comply as above and request it be set a side and struck out.

 

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Hi all!

We had our moment in court!

I was able to attend this time as I wasn't working. I'll keep it short. WE WON!!

 

SD set aside.

 

We would have been awarded costs I think, had I submitted some, unfortunately I hadn't had a chance to compile the paperwork

as I've been busy with an essay that's due for Uni.

 

The judge asked if we were going for costs and I was gutted to have to say no. Oh well, at least WE WON!!!

 

The judge also said that based on the paperwork we had submitted (which was essentially copied and pasted from here),

the other side would have had a very difficult time in winning the case.

 

The rep from the other side acknowledged that too.

 

As we were leaving court the rep approached us and said well done on taking the time to research and submitting what we did and congratulated us on a job well done!

He shook our hands and wished us well too! Result!

 

Thanks ever so much to everybody that helped us with this.

 

I will be making a donation to the site to say thanks,

plus utilising it further in order to claim so more PPI refunds for other old debts that we have.

 

Unfortunately we have a couple of CCJs for those but at least if we can claim some PPI back

then we will be able to pay some of them off and save ourselves the monthly repayments that we currently have.

 

A big thank you again!!

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Well done Bellisdaisy delighted for you.

 

Thread title amended to reflect your result.

 

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Well done, that's great news :)

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Well done, that's great news :)

 

Great news did they bring their barrister and compliance director or are they getting weary of defeat? Don't worry I forgot to claim some of my costs. Well done for having the guts to go the distance.

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Well done. This tread can be moved to legal successes now.

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They didn't even turn up themselves. The rep said he worked for an independent company and he had been instructed to attend court and state that they were willing to set aside as they had no further information as requested (or words to that effect).

How would I go about reporting them to the OFT? Is there a website? Do I just summarise what I have said on this thread?

Thanks again.

I found it very helpful to read through the successful threads during this journey and hope that my story will now contribute in helping others. It is a worrying time but with the excellent advice available on here you get there in the end! :)

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