Crack down on sickness

[snowdragon]

just seen this? Good or bad ??

 

http://uk.lifestyle.yahoo.com/sickness-benefit-crackdown-25m-trial-040852302.html

[Nystagmite]

What bloody treatment? I have been seen by various doctors and specialists over the years for my disabilities and have been told there's not a cure or treatment for any. In fact, the first thing that a GP and a psychiatrist said to me was "you are aware there's no cure, aren't you?"

 

Not all treatment helps every single person. Some people who find that medication helps and they can live a normal life, some find that medication either has nasty side effects or it does very little for them.

[Consumer dude]

What bloody treatment? I have been seen by various doctors and specialists over the years for my disabilities and have been told there's not a cure or treatment for any. In fact, the first thing that a GP and a psychiatrist said to me was "you are aware there's no cure, aren't you?"

 

Not all treatment helps every single person. Some people who find that medication helps and they can live a normal life, some find that medication either has nasty side effects or it does very little for them.

 

The link wasn't working for me but I heard the story somewhere. Some people are so damaged by the stuff that has happened in there lives that it would take many years to cure them and in some cases the damage is so great that it may never happen..

[snowdragon]

how will they prove who is genuine and who is fake? like both of you say it needs to make sure those who are in real need be left alone, yes there are scroungers but you get that everywhere. More needs to help get jobless people the help they need and give jobs to us!

[Nystagmite]

how will they prove who is genuine and who is fake?

 

Indeed. Some of the conditions I have, there are no tests for. For some, the tests are based on a questionnaire or a visual test of some sort. (letters, colours, etc) How would it be proven that I haven't lied when giving my answers?

 

At times, I do wonder if they know something specialists don't. If they do, why not tell them?

[snowdragon]

so sorry to hear about what you are going through Nystagmite, other half has been waiting for an "urgent" appointment to see a neurologist, she has one for December but that was given to her a while ago. Makes you sick!

[Nystagmite]

Thank you Almost all specialists have now given up with me; as I'm incurable. It's now just routine check ups to ensure I'm not getting worse.

[snowdragon]

(( Hugs )) was going to say you are brave but guess you have heard that so many times. I bet not many would be able to cope knowing there was no cure, sending you a white light x

[Nystagmite]

Thanks. Hope everything goes well for your other half.

[Surfer01]

I don't see any issue with it as it will help flush out the spongers that give us all a bad name especially those with alcoholic and drug problems. If you are genuine, I don't think you have anything to worry about.

[Consumer dude]

it is a good idea to flush out, however it only ever seems to work at the bottom end. what about the richest elite who pay little or no tax. A case of one rule for one and one rule for another. The old chestnut again I guess..

[Nystagmite]

I don't see any issue with it as it will help flush out the spongers that give us all a bad name especially those with alcoholic and drug problems. If you are genuine, I don't think you have anything to worry about.

 

It doesn't work like though. Many genuine people are found fit for work and win at appeal.

[whitenight]

i agree with surfer, there are to many people claiming they are sick when they arent, it will dig out the scroungers from the severally sick and its about time its long over due, if you truly have a sickness then it should show then be treated for it or refered to consultants , theres to many telling their GP,S ive got this and that when they havent, there the ones who need to be sent back to work

[Nystagmite]

if you truly have a sickness then it should show then be treated for it or refered to consultants ,

 

And for those of us with incurable conditions? Many of us have long term conditions for which there is no treatment. All my eye consultants has done since 2007, is advise me that I will never drive, tested for me for glaucoma, discover that I have a rare optic nerve condition, for which there is no treatment and give me glasses. There is nothing more they can do.

 

When I saw the psychiatrist, I was diagnosed, told to contact someone (which I have done) and speak to social services. As yet again, no-one can't do anything.

 

What is the point of seeing a consultant when there's nothing that can be done?

[down'n'out]

I don't see any issue with it as it will help flush out the spongers that give us all a bad name especially those with alcoholic and drug problems. If you are genuine, I don't think you have anything to worry about.

 

I have to disagree.

If this was a case of helping those in need, then I could agree.

As it states:-

Under the proposals, claimants would be expected to attend regular sessions with a health care professional who could require them to attend therapy and other treatments to help them recover.

It is regular sessions with an "Health care professional", who will be who, ATOS? How regular will the "sessions "be? Monthly, weekly, daily?

It then states "Who could require them to attend therapy". So not necessarily a case of actually helping those who are sick by sending them to a qualified doctor/therapist.

I see that as simply being a way to mandate those who are sick to be forced to attend more interviews/appointments, and those who are sick will probably miss an appointment and be sanctioned.

[Nystagmite]

What therapy and what recovery? Many ESA claimants have long term conditions.

[Surfer01]

It doesn't work like though. Many genuine people are found fit for work and win at appeal.

 

I appreciate that it will happen and genuine people may need to appeal, however by the same token the sooner the malingers are removed from our midst the better it will be for all of us and maybe the media will then come over to our side.

There was a thread on PIP on CAG and after reading it I was really concerned about losing my DLA and imagined all sorts of things, but then I realised a lot of it was suppositions and half truths and that the genuine people had nothing to fear so un-subscribed.

However prior to realisation it created a lot of worry and stress for myself. I guess this has happened to many other people reading the thread and they have been worrying themselves about nothing.

[Nystagmite]

but then I realised a lot of it was suppositions and half truths and that the genuine people had nothing to fear so un-subscribed.

 

I disagree. There's a 0.5% fraud and they want 20% off DLA. I know someone who will more than likely lose out when it comes to PIP. She will still have care and mobility needs.

[down'n'out]

I appreciate that it will happen and genuine people may need to appeal,

 

From next year, with the cuts to legal aid, unspecified wait time for reconsideration before actual appeal process starts, and no benefit paid during reconsideration/appeal, how many will last the length of such a process?

[SOD'EM]

I hope they realise what these changes might do to people whom have any form of mental illness. Regardless of the cause of their problems, this could just tip some of them over the edge. ATOS and the likes are a nightmare for anyone that has to go there, but could just be too much for people with mental health problems.

Edited November 9, 2012 by SOD'EM

[whitenight]

every one talks about it but no one has stopped it, if those they have made to go back to work but are that ill then do something about it stop moaning, it just seems all this talk has got people nowhere, people who have limbs missing are being sent back to works, but no one does anything its all talk and its happening now !!!! so do something and stop going on about it

[Nystagmite]

I hope they realise what thaese changes might do to people whom have any form of mental illness. Regardless of the cause of their problems' date=' this could just tip some of them over the edge. ATOS and the likes are a nightmare for anyone that has to go there, but could just be too much for people with mental health problems.[/quote']

 

Indeed. Those who don't have mental illness, are going to end up so depressed from the whole process too.

[caro]

I hope they realise what thaese changes might do to people whom have any form of mental illness. Regardless of the cause of their problems' date=' this could just tip some of them over the edge. ATOS and the likes are a nightmare for anyone that has to go there, but could just be too much for people with mental health problems.[/quote']

 

I have a friend with Meniere's Disease, epilepsy which is well controlled and learning difficulties. She has a medical next week which she's worrying about (and so am I if I'm honest having read things on cag). She's had most of these all her life and it would be a waste of public money to send her for "treatment" for these incurable conditions.

[Nystagmite]

She's had most of these all her life and it would be a waste of public money to send her for "treatment" for these incurable conditions.

 

This is true for so many of us.

[45002]

I don't see any issue with it as it will help flush out the spongers that give us all a bad name especially those with alcoholic and drug problems. If you are genuine, I don't think you have anything to worry about.

 

Correct...

 

I said this before and will say it again,Genuinely ill and disabled people should have nothing to worry about then !