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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
    • Thanks for all the suggestions so far I will amend original WS and send again for review.  While looking at my post at very beginning when I submitted photos of signs around the car park I noticed that it says 5 hours maximum stay while the signage sent by solicitor shows 4 hours maximum stay but mine is related to electric bay abuse not sure if this can be of any use in WS.
    • Not sure what to make of that or what it means for me, I was just about to head to my kip and it's a bit too late for legalise. When is the "expenditure occured"?  When they start spending money to write to me?  Or is this a bad thing (as "harsh" would imply)? When all is said and done, I do not have two beans to rub together, we rent our home and EVERYTHING of value has been purchased by and is in my wife's name and we are not financially linked in any way.  So at least if I can't escape my fate I can at least know that they will get sweet FA from me anyway   edit:  ah.. Sophia Harrison: Time bar decision tough on claimants WWW.SCOTTISHLEGAL.COM Time bar is a very complex area of law in Scotland relating to the period in which a claim for breach of duty can be pursued. The Scottish government...   This explains it like I am 5.  So, a good thing then because creditors clearly know they have suffered a loss the minute I stop paying them, this is why it is "harsh" (for them, not me)? Am I understanding this correctly?  
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HI can anyone help as CAB refuse to deal with court fines.

 

My story begins with a magistrates court fine for breach of a restraining order by my ex

i went to see my kids last Christmas and her new fella called the police, i was arrested and given a £465 fine, i paid regular instalments until i lost my job.[ I had a nervous breakdown though all the stress of my 20 year marriage break up, and not seeing my children]

Anyhow i paid smaller amounts off my fine, as i was unemployed and could not claim benefits,because i had left my job voluntarily. i got a letter of the courts and i arranged to pay what i could afford they agreed to £5 per week. i then got a letter of marston bailiffs stating they had been instructed by the courts to collect the remaining balance £120 plus £75 fees.

I borrowed £120 and paid my fine direct to the courts the next day.

i then heard nothing from Marston for months but recently i have received a bill from the for £275

i rang and asked them what it was for they say its £75 for collecting my fine and £200 for a visit to my home.[they say i was out when they called].

Today i received another letter from Marston saying if i don't pay £275 within 14 days they will come and take my property to the value of £475 pounds . and each time i don't pay them they will add another £200 to visit me.

I am on ESA [ invalidity benefit at the moment], after my nervous breakdown and i am on tablets and consultation to get me through a dark time in my life.

These demands for money to collect a fine they know has already been paid are really getting me down, is there anything i can do.

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I am assuming that you had failed to keep to the payment arrangement that you had with the court of £5 per week. Is this correct?

 

Had you made the court aware of your circumstances? If so, then a complaint should be made to them as to why they forwarded this account to a firm of bailiffs.

 

It would appear that you are classed as "vulnerable" and I would assume that you have some evidence of this. It is important that such evidence is brought to the attention of Marston's as this should be sufficient for them to return the account back to the court.

 

I have sent you a PM (Message).

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After Tomtubby took on my case, Marstons backed down and returned the warrant back to HMCS. forfeiting their fees and charges.

But knowing the way Marstons have no difficulty in bending the rules to make monetary gain i'm sure they will make up their loss off

some other poor unsuspecting person.

Don't forget to watch ITV Monday night , the truth about bailiffs.

And thank you Tomtubby keep up the good work.

 

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As many people on here are aware, I have a commercial business providing bailiff advice to the public. It may seem strange but a lot of people "claim" that they are "vulnerable" when calling a bailiff company and this is why bailiff firms need to have some sort of evidence to support this. Also, they cannot simply return a case back to the court to advise that the debtor is "claiming" vulnerability. They will need to confirm that they have seen suporting evidence.

 

I was happy to assist you with this problem ( no charge of course) but what I was not happy to hear was the the Magistrates Court had only advised Marston Group on 26th October that you had made payment to them on 1st October!!! The administrtaion at some of these Magistrates Courts leaves a lot to be desired.

 

The goods news is that when supporting medical evidence was submitted to Marston Group they confirmed this morning that they have RETURNED THE WARRANT BACK TO THE COURT.

 

Excellent result and hopefully, this will go some way towards improving your health etc.

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Yes that is true once Marston were in receipt of the evidence of vulnerability they soon returned the warrant,

And i agree the Magistrates should have better administration.

My last post aimed at Marston was borne out of frustration at previously getting nowhere with them before your

intervention.

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It's always pleasing to hear of a result and better still to get it on a Friday when the pressure can come off for the OP. large Nescafe's all round and a special jar of Gold Blend for TT.

 

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Well done to you and TT on getting a good result, it just shows that they have to be pushed into following the guidelines they are supposed to follow as a norm. This particular case is yet another example confirming Marstons can be labelled as bad as the rest we are about to see exposed on Monday.

Local Authorities must take a tighter control of the leash when they let the dogs out and stop turning a blind eye to the situation and accept they are wholly responsible for the bailiff breeding programme, this means you never rely on using bad stock to improve the bloodlines.

 

 

 

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It may seem strange but a lot of people "claim" that they are "vulnerable" when calling a bailiff company and this is why bailiff firms need to have some sort of evidence to support this. Also, they cannot simply return a case back to the court to advise that the debtor is "claiming" vulnerability. They will need to confirm that they have seen suporting evidence.

 

I was happy to assist you with this problem ( no charge of course) but what I was not happy to hear was the the Magistrates Court had only advised Marston Group on 26th October that you had made payment to them on 1st October!!! The administrtaion at some of these Magistrates Courts leaves a lot to be desired.

 

The goods news is that when supporting medical evidence was submitted to Marston Group they confirmed this morning that they have RETURNED THE WARRANT BACK TO THE COURT.

 

Excellent result and hopefully, this will go some way towards improving your health etc.

 

 

For the forum members who appear not to have read your post properly, are the following statements correct?

 

1. The Court failed to tell Marstons they'd received a direct payment AFTER the warrant was issued?

2. Marstons pursued the admin fee and fine initially as expected of them?

3. After being informed the fine was paid direct to the court, Marstons pursued the admin fee which they're entitled to do?

4. After evidence of vulnerability was supplied, Marstons stopped enforcement and sent the warrant back to the court?

 

Am I missing something or has the bailiff company done everything by the book?

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For the forum members who appear not to have read your post properly, are the following statements correct?

 

1. The Court failed to tell Marstons they'd received a direct payment AFTER the warrant was issued?

2. Marstons pursued the admin fee and fine initially as expected of them?

3. After being informed the fine was paid direct to the court, Marstons pursued the admin fee which they're entitled to do?

4. After evidence of vulnerability was supplied, Marstons stopped enforcement and sent the warrant back to the court?

 

Am I missing something or has the bailiff company done everything by the book?

 

 

%ostrich% Yes Marston did do everything by the book.

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