Multiple PCN's

[benny_lagger]

Hello everyone.

Due to quite specific situation I had to leave my car for a week on a 'Pay and Display' parking. I have paid maximum I could in a parking meter and left. Once I got back I got, as expected, a fine for "parking after expiration of paid time". I have paid it within 2 weeks to minimise it by 50%.

I was suprised when I have received NtO for 2 more PCN's.

 

In total I have been given 3 PCN's throughout the week. I had only one sticked to my windshield when I was picking up my car.

I am not 100% sure if this is allright to give multiple fines in my situation therefore I would appreciate your help.

In case this is valid I would appreciate if you let me know if I can pay only 50% of the remaining PCN's, as I had no chance to do that in time due to the fact I was not aware I was given any other PCN's.

Should I explain that when making a representation ticking 'other grounds'?

 

Thanks.

[Bazooka Boo]

Any PCN with a "Notice to owner" must be challenged.

 

How do they know your the owner? Are you?

 

Or does your V5 simply state that you are the "registered keeper" and that "this document does not prove you are the owner of this vehicle". Take a look at your V5.

 

And have a watch of

 

It isn't a fine neither, and is a civil matter.

[Jamberson]

You need to make representations on all the remaining PCNs. It is possible that there are others too - they can issue one per calendar day. You ought to call the council and get a list of all the PCNs.

 

In your letter, give all the PCN numbers and explain what happened (don't admit that you left your car there deliberately - it will go against you). Then state that the imposition of so many charges, totalling £ (whatever it is) is disproportionate to the situation.

 

This line of argument has succeeded before, including at adjudication hearings. What should hopefully happen is that they cancel all the PCNs except the one which is already paid - so problem solved.

 

If you try this, and they say no, you can request an adjudication hearing at that point. I think you're likely to win.

[Jamberson]

How do they know your the owner? Are you?

 

Or does your V5 simply state that you are the "registered keeper" and that "this document does not prove you are the owner of this vehicle". Take a look at your V5.

 

The council are at liberty to issue a charge to the person APPEARING to be the owner, and being the registered keeper is sufficient for them to do that. If that person is NOT the owner, they need to contest liability. The V5 will say what they all say - but that's not the issue. If the OP is not the owner and wants responsibility passed to the actual owner, then that's fine - but if he is the owner, he's stuck with it.

[Bazooka Boo]

Yes I agree they will assume that the V5 means they are the owner, but the technicality of their wording of "Notice to owner" and the actual written wording on the V5 document is a defence, how can one document say one thing, and this is a crown copyright document yet the LA interpret it differently?

 

IMO these are no more than speculative invoices, it is a civil and not a criminal offence, so if you were to ignore it, they can do nothing.

 

Just as the council are at liberty to put bits of paper on your windscreen means I am at liberty to ignore them, there is no legal obligation to respond to their invoice/pieces of paper, or even letters.

[dx100uk]

these are ofcourse council tickets?

 

dx

[Jamberson]

IMO these are no more than speculative invoices, it is a civil and not a criminal offence, so if you were to ignore it, they can do nothing.

 

Just as the council are at liberty to put bits of paper on your windscreen means I am at liberty to ignore them, there is no legal obligation to respond to their invoice/pieces of paper, or even letters.

 

That's simply ludicrous. The council can and will apply for a bailiff warrant, and bailiffs will clamp/tow/dispose of the vehicle. It is completely unhelpful to say things like this when someone has PCNs to deal with. If he takes your advice he will lose his car.

[TheBogsDollocks]

You should wave case number 2110166557 under the council's noses. You can obtain a copy by inputting the number in the link http://www.patasregistersofappeals.org.uk/StatReg/StatRegAdvanced.aspx

[green_and_mean]

Just as the council are at liberty to put bits of paper on your windscreen means I am at liberty to ignore them, there is no legal obligation to respond to their invoice/pieces of paper, or even letters.

 

Correct you don't have to pay them but the prospect of having your car sold or your house stripped of its contents is enough to make most sane people pay these legally enforceable debts.

[Bazooka Boo]

these are ofcourse council tickets?

 

There I go again skipping over the important information! So yes my advice shouldn't be followed in the case of council issued tickets, a private parking firm is completely different.

 

My apologies, should have gone to specsavers!

[green_and_mean]

There I go again skipping over the important information! So yes my advice shouldn't be followed in the case of council issued tickets, a private parking firm is completely different.

 

My apologies, should have gone to specsavers!

 

Strange considering your comments in post #5

 

'Just as the council are at liberty to put bits of paper on your windscreen means I am at liberty to ignore them, there is no legal obligation to respond to their invoice/pieces of paper, or even letters.'

[Bazooka Boo]

Strange considering your comments in post #5

 

Yes quite queer that isn't it!

[benny_lagger]

Jamberson, thanks very much for your advice. I will deal with as you have suggested.

Another big thanks to TheBogsDollocks, for providing me the case number I can use as precedent.

[benny_lagger]

Thanks everyone once again for help. I have received reply from council that all my remaining PCN's were cancelled.

[honeybee13]

That's great news. Well done you and all those who advised you.

 

My best, HB

[esmerobbo]

Good result.

[Bazooka Boo]

Excellent result...well done.