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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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I work in security in Manchester and was recently confronted with a group of approximately a dozen 15-18 year old youths throwing stones across a public area populated with small children, families etc. I walked the youths off the site and was forced to physically remove one youth by placing one hand on his chest and one on his shoulder and walking him off site. Not pushing him or using any other level of force I hasten toadd, literally just placing my hand on his chest and walking forward, thus taking him with me. As soon as he was off the private property he was released.

 

The youth and his cretinous accomplices then began hurling stones at myself and a colleague, striking us several times whilst making all manner of threats of violence, killing etc.

 

Subsequently the group then wandered off and smashed up a local shop and stole a quanitity of alcohol from there but that is not relevant to my case.

 

I was then arrested the following week for affray, believe it or not.

I was promptly suspended from work and dismissed for gross misconduct 3 weeks BEFORE I was due to return to find if I was to be charged or not. My appeal failed despite the intervention of my MP on the grounds that the company did not feel it had to answer to the CPS while making their decision.

 

The Police (or at least the duty inspector) apologised for my arrest, agreeing that the officer had not needed to arrest me, inviting me to the police station to speak to me under caution would have sufficed. My MP has clearly given his support in this matter as he feels it was deeply ubfait to dismiss me before a decision to charge or not had been reached, especially since I was subsequently cleared.

 

My question is this. In the response to tribunal proceedings the company states that its standing with the client and the community was such that it did need to await a decision from the police to charge before taking internal action.

 

However, one of my two colleagues that witnessed the event was interviewed internally and said (in writing) that I had not used excessive force, and my other colleague was not even questioned about it despite my pointing that out in my appeal.

 

Does anyone have any pointers on this?

 

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Thats the original post. Since then Ive had been offered employment by another firm, then had it withdrawn as thew new firm admitted the manager who suspended me originally had contacted them and stitched me up. They only wgreed to furnish me with that info when I agreed not to pursue them if they told me what had gone on.

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Rule 9 - Taking no further part in the proceedings

53. Under this Rule, a respondent who has not responded, or whose response has

been rejected, will not be allowed to take any part in the case. The only exceptions to

this will be where he or she is seeking to have a judgment reviewed under Rule 33 or

Rule 34(3)(a) and (b); where he or she is called as a witness by somebody else; or

where the tribunal is sending the respondent a copy of a decision or judgment, or

corrected entry.

 

Anyone think I can file for a default judgement under this section on the basis that my former employer has failed to respond at all to the deadline set by the tribunal office?

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The extension you got from your employer, was this in writing? Did you tell the tribunal that you had an extension of time from the Respondents (employer) and ask the ET for an extension too?

 

It is not clear what exactly both parties were asked to disclose and if the documents you were asked to disclose are crucial to the claim

 

Resend your letter and send it by recorded delivery stating that the Respondents have failed to comply with the directions in the CMD, and that they have acted unreasonably. Include your evidence of contacting the Respondent and the Tribunal. Also say that their unreasonable actions means that you cannot have a fair trial under Article 6 of the ECHR, which is part of the Human Rights Act. You have not been able to inspect the documents to which the Respondents rely and therefore prepare yourself in terms of how you can answer back and put forward your claim. The Respondent's deliberate failure to comply with the rules/orders means that potentially the case has necessarily reached the point of no return. 9 i say this not knowing what documents were mean to be disclosed and not knowing if they are in fact crucial to the case)

 

In terms of striking out the response, you want the tribunal not to allow the Respondents disclosed docs as part of the trial bundle ( if they do produce anything) so the Respondent would not be able to rely on them as part of their case. There are sanctions in place where a party has no complied with the directions set at CMD, you may want to ask the Tribunal to consider enforcing the sanctions in light of the unreasonable behaviour of the Respondent and the delay it has on the proceedings and to the fairness of the trial. ( again dependent on what the documents are and how important they are to the case)

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I have the email where the employer agreed to the extension, and I have the email I sent them containing some of the documents they asked for, there are several documents like their own policies and procedures that they havent followed that they wanted me to highlight exactly what bits Im using which Ive refused to do on the grounds that being their own poloicies, they should already know them. I also have a jobcentre advert advertising my job which was posted the exact same day I was suspended which they wanted to see. Ive refused again as since they were the ones that posted it, they should already know.

 

Ive submitted a request to have any response they bring on the day refused under Rule 9 sect 53 of the Employment Tribunals (Constitution and rules of procedure) Regulations 2004,and filed for a default judgement under section 7 of the employments act 2002. Just have to wait and see if I get any response at all now.

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Ok sorting out all evidence and paperwork for thursday and Ive come across a tricky one. I made a SAR request to gain confirmation that my former employer had knobbled a job offer, and the HR guy I soke to said hed send me confirmation that a phone call had taken place. I have evidence of the phone call they made to me saying this.

 

The company that withdrew the offer then gave 3 entirely different reasons as to why the offer was withdrawn and when I questioned them about it and told them that their HR had already admitted that they had had a phone call from my previous employer they clammed up and have now completely ignored my SAR request. What do I do about bringing this to the atention of the tribunal?

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Well, you'll just have to explain to the ET that you submitted a SAR but the company has failed to respond. Hope thy believe what you have to say.

Maybe get on to the company ASAP and threaten to report them unless they cough up by the end of tomorrow.

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Already done that and Im still being stonewalled. At least Ive got the phone records of them calling me and the emails theyve sent where they cant decide what the offer was withdrawn for. And the final one where they say they dont understand what it is I want, and I replied making it V clear what I was asking and they just ignored me since.

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Ok, Im sure a few of you ahve read my ongoing case and have a fair idea whats gone on.

 

Todays developments are as follows.

 

There has been a postponement granted without my knowledge in this case.

The employer has to wait for the dismissing officer to return from her job an a cruise liner and still hasnt returned.

The notice was sent to the wrong address hence me not getting it, the ET have apologised for that so fair enough.

 

I have written in a strong objection to the postponment on the grounds that they are way bigger than me, they should have their house in order and be ready to go like they said they would at the CMD.

 

They STILL havent disclosed any evidence or documents, and have been issued with a strike out warning. I have renewed my request to have their whole defense thrown out, as I know for a fact if this person DOES eventually show up, they will only have her, and maybe one other as two of the four have refused to give evidence for them.

 

Thats where I am now.

Anyone think theres anything else I can do??

 

Ta.

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Ok so following me chasing up the SAR, they have finally responded with an HR official asking me to send him the original request that I sent back on the 28th April.

 

I have sent him a copy, reminded him that I have told the ET service that they hadnt responded in due time, and I have recorded a phone call another HR official where the phone conversation I wanted confirmation of had indeed taken place.

 

No response yet.

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Ok so following me chasing up the SAR, they have finally responded with an HR official asking me to send him the original request that I sent back on the 28th April.

 

I have sent him a copy, reminded him that I have told the ET service that they hadnt responded in due time, and I have recorded a phone call another HR official where the phone conversation I wanted confirmation of had indeed taken place.

 

No response yet.

You seem to be getting on top of them. I hope they get scared and cough up the cash. Best of luck!
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Ok, I have today received more paperwork from the ET office. They have given my ex employer a double b ollocking. They have stated it is not necessary for me to outline precise passages in the documents I intend to use for my defense, nor should my employer have asked me to do it, to do so showed them attempting to 'unfairly weaken the claimants case' and they have been issued with another order to disclose documents since they havent done so.

 

However, due to a mistake in the ET office I didnt have this letter sent to the right address, they have admitted the balls up and apologised.

However, they have granted a continuance until late in august.

 

I have the right to appeal to revoke the order using rule 11, which I did, but I didnt state that it was under rule 11, just that it wasnt right for a company to be granted an extension when me as a lone person fighting the case was ready to proceed.

 

The warning they had was issued on the 11th may, and they STILL havent disclosed documents to me.

Anyone think they are an an ever steepening slope to defeat here?

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It seems that, as other CAGGERS say, the ET is overly accommodating to the tardiness of the employer. However, it does appear that your ex-bosses are losing the plot.

 

 

I really admire the way you have kept after them. May the Force be with you.

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Well Ive reapplied for the closure of their defense, with the words 'strongly object'this time, I wonder if theyll get the hint. Im starting to wonder if they may be thinking maybe going down the path of discussing a settlement may be a smart move.

 

I need to check something tho, I think that under section 7 and rule 34, if the tribunal strikes out their defence, it means they cant use anything in their defence, effectively meaning they have to sit there and take whatever I chuck at them, and cant defend themselves. Doesnt that mean that effectively even the slightest suspicion of them pulling a fast one can be taken as gospel as they cannot disprove it?

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Well Ive reapplied for the closure of their defense, with the words 'strongly object'this time, I wonder if theyll get the hint. Im starting to wonder if they may be thinking maybe going down the path of discussing a settlement may be a smart move.

 

I need to check something tho, I think that under section 7 and rule 34, if the tribunal strikes out their defence, it means they cant use anything in their defence, effectively meaning they have to sit there and take whatever I chuck at them, and cant defend themselves. Doesnt that mean that effectively even the slightest suspicion of them pulling a fast one can be taken as gospel as they cannot disprove it?

 

I cannot say about the strike out of the defence as I have no experience. Papasmurf or Sidewinder might be able to help you with that.

 

Have you got a schedule of loss including aggravated damages? I saw a case recently where 2 guys got 5 -7.5K for the rotten way they were sacked, this was just the injury to feelings component.

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Well Ive reapplied for the closure of their defense, with the words 'strongly object'this time, I wonder if theyll get the hint. Im starting to wonder if they may be thinking maybe going down the path of discussing a settlement may be a smart move.

 

I need to check something tho, I think that under section 7 and rule 34, if the tribunal strikes out their defence, it means they cant use anything in their defence, effectively meaning they have to sit there and take whatever I chuck at them, and cant defend themselves. Doesnt that mean that effectively even the slightest suspicion of them pulling a fast one can be taken as gospel as they cannot disprove it?

 

If it was struck out it would mean that you'd be awarded summary judgement, there'd be no hearing.

 

Don't get excited too easily by procedural shenanigans in the lead up to an ET hearing.

The respondant has to really, really (really) f*ck the ET around to be struck out.

Make sure you don't get too pushy with the EJ in requesting they sanction the respondant. Suggest it, sure. Communicate what's happening, and why their actions (or lack of) are unreasonable.

But keep focused on the likelyhood that this will end up as a full ET hearing, with the respondant having full representation by a solicitor or even a barrister.

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My schedule of loss about 2 and a half months ago was 10k in lost wages, its increased at 500 a fortnight since. Theres also the question of interest, costs and future earnings, but to be brutally honest, Id take the lost earnings and walk away happy right now.

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My schedule of loss about 2 and a half months ago was 10k in lost wages, its increased at 500 a fortnight since. Theres also the question of interest, costs and future earnings, but to be brutally honest, Id take the lost earnings and walk away happy right now.
Oops! I just noticed this on Emplaw.

 

 

"In unfair dismissal cases, an employment tribunal has no power to award either aggravated or exemplary damages"

 

Sorry to get you hopes up! Those 2 guys were claiming religious discrimination which is why they got the dosh.

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Well theyve been issued an official warning, been bollocked for trying to pull a fast one and have still not replied, so surely that would qualify as contempt of the tribunal?

Heading that way perhaps. Don't get your hopes up is what I'm trying to say.

Concentrate on having to go to ET and argue this.

 

BTW, H. Are you keeping full records of all steps you're taking to mitigate your circumstance by finding alternative employment?

 

VERY important, and often overlooked. You can win in full at ET, only for the respondant to use the fact that you seemingly haven't made any effort to find another job after you were sacked to have the ET greatly reduce any award you might have received.

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