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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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The jobsearch proof is an absolute joke, last time I was given a target of 50 jobs over a month so just to test made up the whole lot but printed them nicely on a pretty excel spreadsheet. She was amazed and said to her colleague on the next desk 'This is how everyone should do it'. Was inwardly ****ing myself.

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Agree, the 'proof' is a joke, anyone can make anything up and the Wp is not allowed to contact the companies anyway due to data protection. Of course some people do not want to work and will do anything to avoid doing so but there are genuine people (like me) who want to work but refuse to work for nothing or not gaining anything above what you get on benefits less expenses - that solves nothing

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I can't post items until 7 posts, right?

 

OK, I can wait. I've fiinished with them, I quit the JSA and therefore quit the programme. I was on it about a bit over a year.

 

I can scan and place some of the ridiculous things they put on their MANDATORY messages.

I've had THREE times SANCTIONS on me, all three revoked.

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I will put in emails, blanking all names, just to re-iterate how these [edited] work.

I'm off the JSA, I just got too fed up of it, which in case they won, but it's not over.

 

I was also to be put on the POOL, what do they call it, the CANDIDATE POOL. HA-HA!

Kinda knew this was coming. The whole interview in your Sunday best, three-hour long crap fest where they basically give you a pass anyway. It's recruiting you into an agency without your knowing, is what it is.

EVERYONE passes. Maybe one does not, but he/she's probably a dud. It;s basically foolproof. Another way for them to get you to sign on the dotted line.

 

I got out of this. Said I had a job interview. This was a lie, but it kept me from going to Ingeus for another week. No way are these [edited] tying me down on their strings.

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I'll give this thread some time to breathe before I come back, by which time, I hope I can show emails, scans and basically proove how pathetic these people are. They are all about money. Check out their chalk-boards.

They don't even have enough humility but to shove it in your face. You are nothing but a name, number and cash.

 

I signed off Monday, they sent me a mandatory letter today lol

 

F'ricking idiots.

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Hello TheDogg, welcome to CAG. Please don't post clock just so you can add attachments, it just messes up the thread for other users.

 

I've asked someone on the site team to post up instructions on adding a pdf for you, as I can't find it atm. I believe you can use this method without having a certain number of posts.

 

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Use this method

 

**you can post up images/letters by this method immediately..you don't need 10 posts**

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set your default scan page size to A4 less than 300DPI [150 will do]

scan the required letters/agreements/sheets - as a picture[jpg] file

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DO IT IN MSPAINT.EXE or any photo editing program

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Not sure what to do. Ingeus got me a job, however it was 9 and a half hour days and commute time was expensive and took 1 hour each way, so i was out of the house for a total of 11.5 hour days. I didn't want to do this so i found another job, however, its 0 hour contract, but its very close to home.

Since i left the one Ingeus got for me and started my new one, they got really nasty and have been having a go at me over the phone, saying i should have stayed and tried the other one for longer etc.

 

This is probably because they can only get their payment if in a full time job. Now i do want to sign on again just for weeks where i dont get any shifts (Rarely happens but would just be a safety net), could i do this without any problems?

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if u miss a workshop for the first time do u automatically get a 4week sanction?

as my friend sayed from what he was told it was canceled and then he got a letter saying he had a workshop

i think u should get a warning and then if u do it again get a sanction just think too much pressure been put on people and soon as u do one thing wrong ur sanction and it makes u end up out of pocket for a while

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if u miss a workshop for the first time do u automatically get a 4week sanction?

as my friend sayed from what he was told it was canceled and then he got a letter saying he had a workshop

i think u should get a warning and then if u do it again get a sanction just think too much pressure been put on people and soon as u do one thing wrong ur sanction and it makes u end up out of pocket for a while

 

No sanction is "automatic" - you should always have the right to tell your side of the story before a sanction is imposed. If your friend has a MAN for this cancelled workshop, can he prove that he was told it had been cancelled?

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My 'adviser' at INGEUS actually said to my face "there is not much we can do with you as you are job ready so simply carry on what you are doing and something will happen" They have realised I do not need help with my CV (done professionally) and I even wrote a covering letter for a job with my adviser last week who said it was spot on for the advertised job. I need no help with interview skills as I have been interviewed many times in front of panels of people as well as interviewed candidates myself. Basically my time there is pointless as I am set up fully at home with IT to apply for jobs properly and have my own folders set up for applications, letters and CV's. The reason I have been out of work for just over a year is not because I am not trying or being lazy but because THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH JOBS and I reckon most of the ones I apply for are fake of auto-rejected.

 

I am now on my 5th visit to INGEUS and my 'adviser' puts me down for fortnightly appointments as any more than that is pointless as she knows how committed I am as my diary/tracker is in WORD, in a smart table with full contact details, a column/row for each date I have done something and around 15-20 applications per fortnight some taking 2-3 hours to do because I actually do want the job rather than applying for the sake of it.

 

These WP schemes have been set up as a tick box exercise and should be for people that need the additional support. People who are job ready should simply be allowed to sign on every fortnight and be allowed to get on with looking for work as they are the ones (like me) that want to work and get off this inhumane system of JSA and WP providers.

 

As (so far) they have left me alone as I really think they are struggling to know what to do with me I treat it as a free day out in town paid for by INGEUS as they pay for travel. Go for coffee, some lunch and get the fare paid and simply go for my 30 min appointment, nod my head blah blah blah and get out for another 2 weeks.

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These WP schemes have been set up as a tick box exercise and should be for people that need the additional support. People who are job ready should simply be allowed to sign on every fortnight and be allowed to get on with looking for work as they are the ones (like me) that want to work and get off this inhumane system of JSA and WP providers.

 

I said exactly that in my long complaint letter to the heads of the WP; give help only where it's needed and leave the rest alone. Sadly, the whole system has always been a 'one size fits all' operation. They assume we're all lacking skills and experience - much easier for them to justify their existence.

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If he has been given a written Mandatory Activity Notice, then yes, he would have to go in and do it in their office.

 

A MAN must be in writing and either posted in good time or handed to him. Telephone calls, text messages, or emails are not permissible methods of issuing a MAN. Chapter 3a Work Programme Provider Guidance.

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If he has been given a written Mandatory Activity Notice, then yes, he would have to go in and do it in their office.

 

A MAN must be in writing and either posted in good time or handed to him. Telephone calls, text messages, or emails are not permissible methods of issuing a MAN. Chapter 3a Work Programme Provider Guidance.

 

Well he Sayed no letters I Sayed he doesn't need to go in if they don't issue u a MAN and he could stay at home to do then cause that's what u did anyway before u get out on the WP anyway

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Had my next appointment letter today. Activities "continue to search and apply for jobs" Erm, I do, at home, daily. So again, my point is, if you need no help with CV's, letters, applications, interview skills, building confidence etc WHAT IS THE POINT OF WP's? As I said before, they should be there for people that need help, not those that are skilled and have ability and have just been unlucky by being made redundant etc. Should just be allowed to sign on at JCP as normal.

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Should just be allowed to sign on at JCP as normal.

 

Ah but then you'd still apear as unemployed in the statistics and the aim of this WP exercise is to remove you from the statistics so it looks like the unemployment rate is falling. It's essentially the same ruse used by Thatcher but she just shifted relatively able bodied people onto sickness benefit and they then fell off the unemployment stats.

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Getting you into their offices - even when totally unnecessary - counts as 'engaging with you' and will satisfy the auditors and DWP that they're doing a grand job.

 

Everything is taken at pure face value by the simple souls of the DWP; you've attended the WP, the WP is there to offer wonderful training and help, therefore you must have benefited from it every time (and if you haven't then it's been your fault, obviously).

 

The DWP are masters of assumption..and as the saying goes 'Assumption is the mother of all f*ck-ups'.

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Had my next appointment letter today. Activities "continue to search and apply for jobs" Erm, I do, at home, daily. So again, my point is, if you need no help with CV's, letters, applications, interview skills, building confidence etc WHAT IS THE POINT OF WP's? As I said before, they should be there for people that need help, not those that are skilled and have ability and have just been unlucky by being made redundant etc. Should just be allowed to sign on at JCP as normal.

 

It's not helpful to attempt to understand the WP in terms of normal human logic. Because as you say, support should be provided for those who need it, and everyone else should be left more or less alone beyond the routine fortnightly signing. But the WP is much more about being seen to be doing something than it is about actually getting people into work and off benefits.

 

Everyone knows this, really - most jobseekers know it's useless, the WP staff probably know it's useless, and the politicians know but don't really care. At least I presume they know but don't care, because the ineffectiveness of the WP is obvious.

 

Don't expect change for the better, though. All of the major political parties seem to have it as an article of faith that unemployment is the fault of the unemployed. Obvious, really - the economy has cycles, and the laziness of British people also apparently goes in cycles that, by shear coincidence, track the economy exactly. Whenever there's a recession, people start getting lazy and that's why they're unemployed.

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I have a formal complaint in against Ingeus member of staff for bullying and harrassment. Its still on going but i dont mind will be signing off soon and if they think there going to sanction me and get paid for getting me a job they have another thing coming.

 

Had a letter sent to a care of address apparently. To attend a Work Programme appointment with a interview suit on and paper CV with me. Well i never knew about this and the day before i get a text saying i have a meeting the next day we look forward to seeing you. (well i never signed the sharing of data paper so i dont know how they are sending me texts.) I turned up on time with regular clothes on to be met by a snotty advisor who stated i had a mock interview. I said i was not aware of this. However i was happy to proceed with interview which she declined to do. I stated it would be discrimination for a mock employer interview not to interview somebody who did not have a suit on for whatever reason. Also i said i like to research the companys i have interviews for as it looks good in interviews so how would i research a mock company?

 

Anyway this is beyond the point. Since January 2014 i have stated i am going back to running my own business and been self employed with a projected start date of 1st April 2014. I need help with the book keeping side of things. I have had zero help until my last appointment where i stood up for myself fr my advisor to get snotty and report me to the DWP. Hence my complaint going in to Ingeus CEO. I am back up today so should be fun. I cant wait i love a game of verbal chess.

 

The company rents a room out with around 8 advisors and seriously lacks privacy and confidentiality. I have noted this and been able to see other peoples NI numbers addresses is a recipe for fraud if your that way incline. No seperate rooms so even if you request one to one meeting it will be declined. I have them over a barrel and i will be the voice for the people who are not in a position to fight back.

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The company rents a room out with around 8 advisors and seriously lacks privacy and confidentiality. I have noted this and been able to see other peoples NI numbers addresses is a recipe for fraud if your that way incline. No seperate rooms so even if you request one to one meeting it will be declined.

 

You should really be raising a complaint at a high level with the DWP - They claim to take client confidentiality seriously and would "have words" over any breaches... Make notes of confidential information and pass it on to the head of Work Programmes within the DWP and sit back to watch the $**! hit the fan.

 

I did the same with A4e when an "adviser" discussed someone's criminal record within earshot. Gave sufficient details to establish that the conversation did take place, added a few snippets of other discussions, and a few weeks later, it was obvious some backsides had been kicked.

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