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    • Hi Sorry for the delay in getting back to you The email excuse and I do say excuse to add to your account and if court decide LL can't recoup costs will be removed is a joke. So I would Ask them: Ask them to provide you with the exact terms within your Tenancy Agreement that allows them to add these Court Fees to your Account before it has been decided in Court by a Judge. Until the above is answered you require these Court Fees to be removed from your Account (Note: I will all be down to your Tenancy Agreement so have a good look through it to see what if any fees they can add to your account in these circumstances)
    • Thank you for your responses. As requested, some more detail. Please forgive, I'm writing this on my phone which always makes for less than perfect grammar. My Dad tries but English not his 1st language, i'm born and bred in England, a qualified accountant and i often help him with his admin. On this occasion I helped my dad put in his renewal driving licence application around 6 weeks before expiry and with it the disclosure of his sleep apnoea. Once the licence expired I told him to get in touch with his GP, because the DVLA were offering only radio silence at that time (excuses of backlogs When I called to chase up). The GP charged £30 for an opinion letter on his ability to drive based on his medical history- at the time I didn't take a copy of the letter, but I am hoping this will be key evidence that we can rely on as to why s88 applies because in the GP opinion they saw no reason he couldn't drive i need to see the letter again as im going only on memory- we forwarded the letter in a chase up / complaint to the DVLA.  In December, everything went quiet RE the sleep apnoea (i presume his GP had given assurance) but the DVLA noticed there had been a 2nd medical issue in the past, when my father suffered a one off mini stroke 3 years prior. That condition had long been resolved via an operation (on his brain of all places, it was a scary time, but he came through unscathed) and he's never had an issue since. We were able to respond to that query very promptly (within the 14 days) and the next communication was the licence being granted 2 months later. DVLA have been very slow in responding every step of the way.  I realise by not disclosing the mini stroke at the time, and again on renewal (had I known I'd have encouraged it) he was potentially committing an offence, however that is not relevant to the current charge being levied, which is that he was unable to rely on s88 because of a current medical issue (not one that had been resolved). I could be wrong, I'm not a legal expert! The letter is a summons I believe because its a speeding offence (59 in a temp roadworks 50 limit on the A1, ironically whist driving up to visit me). We pleaded guilty to the speeding but not guilty to the s87.  DVLA always confirmed to me on the phone that the licence had not been revoked and that he "May" be able to continue to drive. They also confirmed in writing, but the letter explains the DVLA offer no opinion on the matter and that its up to the driver to seek legal advice. I'll take the advice to contact DVLA medical group. I'm going to contact the GP to make sure they received the SAR request for data, and make it clear we need to see a copy of the opinion letter. In terms of whether to continue to fight this, or to continue with the defence, do we have any idea of the potential consequences of either option? Thanks all
    • stopping payments until a DN arrives does not equal automatic sale to a DCA...if you resume payments after the DN.  
    • Sleep apnoea: used to require the condition  to be “completely” controlled Sometime before June 2013 DVLA changed it to "adequately" controlled. I have to disagree with MitM regarding the effect of informing DVLA and S.88 A diagnosis of sleep apnoea doesn't mean a licence wont be granted, and, indeed, here it was. If the father sought medical advice (did he?) : this is precisely where S.88 applies https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/64edcf3a13ae1500116e2f5d/inf1886-can-i-drive-while-my-application-is-with-dvla.pdf p.4 for “new medical condition” It is shakier ground if the opinion of a healthcare professional wasn’t sought. in that case it is on the driver to state they believed they met the medical standard to drive. However, the fact the licence was then later granted can be used to be persuasive that the driver’s belief they met the standard was correct. What was the other condition? And, just to confirm, at no point did DVLA say the licence was revoked / application refused? I’d be asking DVLA Drivers’ Medical Group why they believe S.88 doesn’t apply. S.88 only applies for the UK, incidentally. If your licence has expired and you meet the conditions for S.88 you can drive in the U.K., but not outside the U.K. 
    • So you think not pay until DN then pay something to the oc to delay selling to dcas?    then go from there? 
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Hi Guys,

 

I'm new and would really appreciate some help. I've done a lot of reading on the site already but would love some answers relating to my situation, if possible.

 

To cut a long story short, I received a "Parking Contravention Enforcement Notice" this morning from Civil Enforcement Ltd for £150/£75 (if paid within 14 days)...

 

I had parked in a KFC car park at 00:46 - 02:13 on a Sunday night; How that equates to £75 I do not know!

 

There is a small section which states "We therefore require payment of this Enforcement Notice, as the vehicle breached the limited free stay allowance as clearly stated on the signage" - I'm not sure of how long I was allowed to park there for, but as this was Sunday night i'm sure you can imagine how many people were queuing up for their "Boneless Banquet" at 00:46, with the doors being closed 1hour and 46 before.

 

Any help?

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Thanks for the prompt response..

 

By not replying to their first letter does that not put me in bad stead for any situation which may arise in the courts? Not that it will go that far, of course.

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Hi and welcome to CAG.

 

Yes, I can help by saying IGNORE. You have been issued with an invoice and nothing more. They have a number of hurdles to clear to extract this money from you. First, they need to identify the driver (who is not necessarily the RK) as it was he/she who entered the 'contract' with them by parking there. It would be that person they would need to persue in court for 'loss or damages' caused by you parking on their 'land'. Then they would need to convince a court that the charge is not a penalty or fine as a private company cannot recover these in law. So their charge would be seen as disproportiante to any losses so it would be considered to be a penalty which the judge would then dismiss.

 

What you will no doubt get is s series of 'threat-o-grams' designed to intimidate you in to paying which you should ignore. In the unlikely event of you getting an officially stamped court summons drop through your letter box, come back and we will advise you what to do about it. Thats if we havn't all died of old age by then!

 

In the meantime DO NOT contact them.

 

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Thanks for the prompt response..

 

By not replying to their first letter does that not put me in bad stead for any situation which may arise in the courts? Not that it will go that far, of course.

 

 

I thought you said you had done a lot of reading!!:lol:

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haha :) I just wanted to double check. Think I shall go for a drive later and see what signs are present at this car park and take some photos if necessary

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I wouldn`t waste your fuel, just smile as the scary words and red ink arrive and think to self, ha ha they wasted another stamp and they

cannot do (rude words) about it, with big smile on face!

 

I tried getting another one to collect another set!

 

Tell everyone you meet or know about this site and about non council tickets!:lol:

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Google the words 'PPC letters, what to expect' and you will see what letters happen next, do not be intimidated because they are very misleading indeed. The letters from Newlyn(debt-collector) are among the worst for lies and misleading information suggesting bailliffs will call (cannot happen outside of a Court case).

 

Wait for the letters to arrive, collect them, take copies and make a complaint to the OfT and your MP:

 

OFT http://www.oft.gov.uk/ complaints about debt-collectors for the attention of James Waldron

 

Local MP via http://www.writetothem.com/

 

No need to come back every time you get the next letter if you know what's coming!

 

HTH

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Well it's been a few months since the original post and i've just received another letter from them... and now i'm a bit worried...

 

Attached is a 'Claim Form' for Northampton County Court which includes a claim for £265 + interest. On the front page it states that "Once a judgetment is obtained the options available to us are as follows: A Warrant of Execution, Appoint Court Bailiffs, Seize Your Vehicle, Apply for an Attachment of Earning Order, Apply for a Third Party Debt Order".

 

Help!

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It won't be stamped. It's just been sent direct from cel to scare and confuse them. It's just a blank claim form with things scanned into it..

 

Someone over on mse had the same thing . With deliberate misleading payment offer.

 

Otherwise ill eat my hat......

 

Seems to be cel's new tactic!!!

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hi guys, sorry for the delayed reply.

 

Nothing is 'stamped' but the documentation does appear to be that which is used by Northampton Crown Court as it states the name on the document. It includes all information of the 'offence'; it appears to be more like the documentation which will be submitted to the courts, rather than a document from the court themselves.

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it appears to be more like the documentation which will be submitted to the courts, rather than a document from the court themselves.

 

in other words a "frightener" designed to scare you into paying because they pretend they are going to court. I think you should ignore it until they send you a stamped copy and meanwhile send this copy to Northampton court and ask them if they are happy that CEL are misrepresenting their official documents.

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Hi guys , I was wondering if anyone has had an experience like this befor & ignored all these threats? Also if you dont pay for these claims does it affect your credit rating? Kindly advice

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If you are referring to this thread then unless the claiment gets a judgement, then it cannot affect your credit rating. If you want more specific advice then I suggest you start your own thread and explain your situation.

 

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Hi guys , I was wondering if anyone has had an experience like this befor & ignored all these threats? Also if you dont pay for these claims does it affect your credit rating? Kindly advice

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Thousands have ignored, have a look around this forum! The only way that it could effect your CRF is if you did get taken to court lost and a judgement was made against you that you did not pay within 28 days.

 

The chances of anyone going to court, and them winning is so minuscule ignoring them is the thing to do!

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I'm in the process of ignoring lots of these letters. I wrote back to CEL, telling them that I disputind the notice and they needed to contact the driver of the vehicle.

I then got one from Newlyn, so I wrote back to them telling them the debt was in dispute and they should refer back to their client - any further contact would be considered harassment etc. Newlyn acknowledged receipt of this letter but they're still sending me letters.

Am I able to do anything about their 'harrassment'? For the record, I'm not worried at all, and I'm happy to just go on ignoring their daft demands - but would there be any extra 'sport' in taking them to court (or whatever) for harassment?

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My daughter has received a demand from Civil Enforcement Limited regarding parking without paying in a local park. Many people in the town have also received similar letters, some of who had actually purchased tickets. This issue was headline story in the local paper last week so the town council have now decided the cover the meters, so there is no way my daughter could have bought a ticket. She is now worried that this 'Enforcement Notice' is genuine even though I've told her that it is a more or less unenforceable. She is insisting on writing to them but I don't think she should. Advice please.

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