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    • Not at all.  The onus is on them to ensure that their invoice respects the provisions of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 to establish keeper liability.  Which it can't as the area is covered by bye-laws. Spot on. Irrelevant as to whether you entered into a contract with VCS to pay them £100 if you didn't obey what was written on their silly signs. Who cares?  What about their ridiculous generic Particulars of Claim where they deliberately mix up driver and keeper. And where do they mention this?  You haven't shown us anything. Of course you have to prepare a Witness Statement and you'd better get on with it. This is the problem here - you've disappeared for months & months, haven't kept us updated and presumably haven't read other VCS threads.  That needs to change - now. Otherwise you will lose - simple as that. For a start - please upload the court order which fixes the hearing date plus plus where "VCS mentioned my initial defence was generic and clearly copied from the internet".  We're not mind readers.
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    • I honestly don't know, Baz. In addition what I don't  understand (from that pamphlet) is this: The s88 criteria are quite clear and don't need a medical professional to interpret them . The one most relevant to his topic says that an application is not a "qualifying application" if a relevant disability has been declared. The problem with the word "may" is how does the applicant establish whether me "may" driver under s88 when he has not complied with its conditions? I don't know the answer to that either. But to further muddy the waters, the pamphlet says this (about : But the s88 statute says absolutely nothing like that at all. It simply says that if you have declared a relevant disability s88 does not apply. The DVLA pamphlet is simply confusing as far as I can see. That's actually my opinion and that's what I would stick to if it was me making the application. But I'll seek a few opinions from others over the next couple of days.
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Losing the plot on this - can someone fill me in please?

sorry no one has yet filled you in...

 

Mr H provieded me with a reciept from a Paypal account, of which I am not denying belonged to me, I thought the email address was no longer in use. Well I requested VirginMedia to change password, managed to gain access to the paypal account associated (again thanks to Mr Hart for providing info to some security questions) and jobs a good one A Payment to Mr Hart for the debt he's been chasing me for..

I send this to him, for him to turn round and state I STILL owe him as someone else paid an account ?? THEN following a convo after providing the details - Mr Hart contacts the police stating I have Harrassed and threatend him regarding this OH and the court case is closed (of which court state still open as of 29/06/2011)!!!!

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A copy of the email would not give you header info-it can only be read from the original.

 

Insofar as DPA is concerned,organisations and public bodies are licenced with varying princilpes.

These are the Categories in which data disclosure/processing/sharing etc applies.

 

There is a category under fraud and prevention of crime bla bla bla that gives rights to Data Controllers to with hold info.

This can frustrate in some cases such as this one,any obligation to disclose.

It is a foregone conclusion that all Police Forces will have this principle in their licence.

However as has been said,ac Court has the power to order dislosure.

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Sorry forgot to add link.........The info is on the ICO website but is not exactly easy to navigate.

For simplicity I will post the link from Liberties WS which pretty much spells out things in language we can all relate to.

http://www.yourrights.org.uk/yourrights/the-right-to-know/data-protection-act/data-protection-act-exemptions.html

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".One of the weaknesses of the DPA is that you need not be told whether exempt information has been withheld. You have no right to be told whether you have been given access to the full file or only an edited version. You may even get a deliberately ambiguous reply to your request, such as ‘We hold no data on you, which we are required to disclose to you.’ This could mean that no information is held on you, or that there is a file, but everything in it is regarded as exempt."

 

 

Iwould not call it a weakness....moreso an injustice.

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I've rung the court just to make sure before sending my doc's - They have now said they recieved information that the case is now settled/paid and now closed.They will not be sending me confirmation of this as the court does not do that!Mr H has to confirm that its closed.Do I wait or contact Mr H to get his confirmation cos of his ridiculous claim against me...ALSO what else can I do now? I'm out of pocket (time and money spent) and feel really annoyed about this all and the underhanded methods that he sought to use against me. Despite it was his own and his companies errors.

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He needs to properly issue a notice of discontinuance. A copy should be sent to you.

 

As you entered a defence, you are now at leisure to apply for a wasted costs order. No track had been assigned, so these are due.

 

Well done. Now let’s skin the monkey for your legitimate costs. He quite clearly withheld information that could have allowed this to be settled quickly, so IMO he is liable.

 

Count up all the hours you have spent on this @ £9.25 an hour, plus your stationery, travel and associated costs.

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Im going to need a bit of help on writing something to the police.As for costs ect I have already stated that in an email to him (when I showed him the proofs) and that was £100.. (see posts further)

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Forgive me if ive misunderstood somewhere in all of this so far.but someone has sent an email to Mr H and now he is not continuing with any actions against the op? sounds like whoever it was that sent the email deserves a clap rather than anything else. if thats what it takes for these leaches to go away in this day and age then maybe we should all start doing that as the usual methods and authorities are so useless at stopping them. :x

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I suppose that is some sort of relief in a way for you ads but the whole thing has been a total mess from the start. Not sure what way you want to go forward now but I would definety get an apology from this ratbag for a start

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Be interesting to find out more about this email carry on, IMO. Definately re-open complaint with TS so he is not doing this to others.

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The dca industry and people like Mr H push people so far that they eventually snap. yes its illegal to threaten i accept that.but people can only be harassed and intimidated so much these days before they eventually blow a fuse. in this era of cuts as well i can only see instances like this being on the increase. if the authorities got a grip on this wretched industry then people would not be tempted to act like that. but they dont and people get backed into a corner so much that they eventually lash out.

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That's a grovelling apology I hope ad, with nice gesture of good will in the form of a cheque:madgrin:

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Forgive me if ive misunderstood somewhere in all of this so far.but someone has sent an email to Mr H and now he is not continuing with any actions against the op? sounds like whoever it was that sent the email deserves a clap rather than anything else. if thats what it takes for these leaches to go away in this day and age then maybe we should all start doing that as the usual methods and authorities are so useless at stopping them. :x

 

Can't agree. It is never ok to send threatening emails, especially when they purport to come from someone else.

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Agreed DB, who ever was responsible needs to grow up, foolish beyond belief!!

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Push the email side of things with the police and a thorough investigation needs to be done to establish the originator of the email. If it transpires that Mr H had something to do with this then would that be attempting to pervert the course of justice? A very serious offence indeed.

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It's annoying to see that it was once i srnt proof over (did his job for him) this threatening email came about..

Not once have i spoken out of turn to the chap, as from day 1 I knew i was in the right.

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Ads, the end of the matter is near I guess. You may never hear from Mr Hart again.

 

You would have to think carefully about whether you want to take the matter of the email further with the Police. Perhaps just try to have a word with the officer who dealt with the harassment issue first, before you go to the effort of putting a letter together. You don't know what would be involved. Would the Police just contact Mr Harts ISP to find out the details of the sender or would they take other action e.g take your computers away or contact your ISP. I say this because you will be denying the harassment claim and therefore in this instance would the Police just leave it at that or would they want to take this further ? The Police officer will be able to explain this to you.

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I fully acknowledge that nobody should be threatened. but if a person is being intimidated and harassed so much then what are they supposed to do? the obvious answer to that is get the authorities involved.but we know how useless all the authorities are these days and that includes the police and the courts. so of course while its not legally or morally right. a sort of "leave me alone or else" message can sometimes have the required result as it seems to have done so in this thread.

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Agreed DB, who ever was responsible needs to grow up, foolish beyond belief!!

 

Agree in principle of course but when on the receiving end of threats from someone else and of whom is making their life a misery. im not sure needing to grow up and not act foolish comes into play really.more a case of self defense in whatever way was required i would say.

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Right again, do you think the''sender'' will ever be exposed?

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well it would be an irony if the sender ended up being punished and the original cause of all the op's troubles being Mr H himself had nothing happen to him at all. in other words who ever has inadvertently done the op a favor comes off the worst. strange country we live in eh lol

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