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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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You sent the account in Dispute letter to AIC, in theory they should have passed the matter back to Natwest with that letter. There problem, so don't worry about it to much. If you have sent the letters I done for you last night then they point out that the account is in dispute and default. So again Natwest and AIC will, if they read and digest the contents, know that the account is disputed.

 

As for what is going to happen next is anyones guess. They have not complied with a CCA request so really they can't do anything until they do. So just sit back and wait and don't worry about it. You are in Spain so they can't do anything anyway and they know that. In addition they have messed up from the begining so if they could, which they can't, go to court they wouldn't as it would be thrown out for all the errors that have been pointed out.

 

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FORMAL COMPLAINT

Dear Sir,

 

In youtr letter dated, ******you have stipulated that you require proof of my identity/signature before you comply with my CCA request, may I bring the following to your attention;

Data Protection Act Good Practice Notes:

 

2. Do you have enough information to be sure of the requester’s identity?

Often you will have no reason to doubt a person’s identity. For example, if a person with whom you have regular contact sends a letter from their known address it may be safe to assume that they are who they say they are.

 

Suffice to say that if the Information Commissioners Office are satisfied that if you have previously corresponded with me at this address then it is reasonable that I am the person I say I am, therefore there is no leglislation nor guidelines that you can hide behind in an attempt to avoid fullfilling my legal request.

 

If you continue to fail to comply with my legal request, I will without hesitation complain to the Information Commissioners Office & the OFT and if my complaint is upheld you will be liable to a fine.

I also refer you to my letter dated ***** in which I inform you that you failed to comply with my CCA request within the statutory time limit and thus the account is in dispute and default. Your recent letter is another attempt to avoid your legal responsability to comply with my request and does not give you a legal defence as it breaches the guidelines isssued by the ICO

and therefore I consider that the account remains in default and dispute until you comply with the CCA request and I draw your attention once again to the contents of the aformentioned letter, in that you may take no action pertaining to this account whilst this is the case.

Finally until you comply with my LEGAL request I will enter in to no further correspondence with yourselves or any 3rd party and you are to consider this a formal complaint and action in accordance with your complaints procedures.

Yours,

Print name do not sign.

 

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Thanks so much Ayomi, I did write a letter along those lines before but they just sent another letter asking me to sign. Will they just ignor this letter or just ask for my signature again. If they have not got my CCA will they ever send a letter saying this, sorry for all the questions it's just that I would feel better knowing what could happen.

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If they don't give you what you have asked then it's up to you what you do next.. This last letter aslo makes it a formal complaint and thus they have 28 days to respond to that complaint explaining why they are taking this stance, they still have to comply with the CCA request which is a seperate issue. You can report them to the ICO and OFT and depending on what they say in their response to the complaint it can also be passed to the Financial Ombudsman. As long as you keep all what they have sent and list, as I said before, in a diary everything that you have done, then by not complying with the CCA they are just shooting themselves in the foot. You have said that until they do you will not correspond further, thus you have put them on notice and one that a court would judge as fair. As for what they will do is anyones guess, probably involve a spanish DCA who as they did me write asking for money, no threats of action or anything as they can't. I told them what the legal position is and have not heard back since, but then it had been a year since I last heard anything from the CC co. anyway. Don't loose any sleep as I don't anymore, it's just a game of cat and mouse.

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Hi, I am quite shocked as I received today the below letter from AIC

 

Final Notice

You are advised that AIC are preparing the above account for transfer to our legal representatives in your country. The additional costs involved in this process will increase the above outstanding balance.

In order to prevent this, you need to contact us on the above telephone number immediately (which was in bold)

I cant understand this as I requested the CCA from them, they then passed it to Natwest who keep asking for signatures etc and now AIC have sent the above.

Please advise me what to do, can they do this without first providing me with the CCA, what will happen in Spain, I feel very worried again and upset.

 

HEY - I have one of those letters.. oh from AIC as well.. For your information, they didnt transfer it they jut handed it back to the bank!!

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Hi All, hope you had a lovely Christmas and New Year, just received a letter from NatWest say more or less as I have not signed my letter requesting my CCA that I must now let them know which branch I want to collect it from and I will have to show 2 forms of ID. Can you advise what I should do now, they really are being difficult, I can't understand why they will not just send the CCA to me. Thanks for your help

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Hi All, hope you had a lovely Christmas and New Year, just received a letter from NatWest say more or less as I have not signed my letter requesting my CCA that I must now let them know which branch I want to collect it from and I will have to show 2 forms of ID. Can you advise what I should do now, they really are being difficult, I can't understand why they will not just send the CCA to me. Thanks for your help

 

I would write back saying something along the lines that further to your last letter they have failed to comply with their legal duty to provide a copy of the CCA and therefore they are in breach and the account remains in dispute. That if they had taken notice of the contents of your previous correspondence and check their records and the address to which they are corresponding with you they would note that you do not live in the UK and thus are unable to collect from a branch. In order to help them you enclose a copy of your passport & Driving licence or other ID (Spanish would be nice)(BLANK OUT THE SIGNATURES), BUT WILL NOT TOLERATE ANY FURTHER DELAYS. That you are preparing a letter of complaint to the OFT regarding their failure and that you wish to take this opportunity to point out that you have not received any correspondence about your formal complaint, that you appreciate there has been a 2 week holiday period and therefore should you not hear from them within the next 2 weeks, regarding the status of your complaint, you will also write to the Financial Ombudsman.

 

Letters to the OFT and Financial Ombudsman- look at their web sites for info. You do not have to give them all the details just what you have asked for and what they have not done etc.

 

Happy New Year!

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Thanks Ayomi, I did receive a letter from the complaints saying they were looking into it, I then received another letter yesterday saying the same thing that they are looking into it. I will send Natwest what you have advised and will let you know their response. Do you think they will ever give up ???

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Hi Ayomi, I just received a letter from the complaints department at Natwest saying they will not uphold my complaint because i have not provided my signature, and if i do not respond by the 26th January their debt collection agency will be instructed to recover the debt. What should I do, shall I just sign the letter requesting the CCA. Please let me know as soon as you can as I have to reply pretty quickly. Thanks for your help.

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Hi there.

 

I have a lot of experience with overdrafts and this is my take on it.

 

Forget the credit agreement request as there probably isn't one, and this is really for a loan or a credit card.

 

This overdraft falls under the consumer Credit Act 1974, and a full 14 days to rectify the default should have been given from the date of the default letter plus postage time.

 

If they have not given you 14 days to rectify the issue, and have demanded the full balance, then firstly the default notice is defective, and secondly your overdraft agreement has been unlawfully rescinded.

 

What this means is they have withdrawn improperly the facility to pay the overdraft back and are therefore in breach of the agreement themselves.

This effectively stuffs them good and proper, but whatever you do, don't let them know you know this at this stage.

 

They have to stick to the law and do things right, but they think they can do what they want and get away with it.

 

If this is what they have done, I personally would not pay them a penny.

 

This has worked for me, and in fact I wrote to the debt collector and pointed out the banks mistake with the default notice. Result? dropped it like the hottest of hot tater's.

 

Regards,

 

3tea

 

This is exactly what HSBc did to us. They terminated the account without giving proper notice. We eventually got the FOS to order HSBC to remove the Default with the CRAs, reinstate the account and pay compensation.

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is there any point complaining to the OFT?

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they won't investigate indvidual complaints and just refer you to the FOS

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from what I have read in a number of these threads DO NOTHING yet. let them do the work not you. They have to do the proving!

I may be wrong but it looks like THEY are in the wrong so just wait.

 

I am sure things will go your way particularly with the help of CAG

 

regards

 

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Hi KellyMarie. Don't worry, we're all in the same boat. I'm just north of you in another country, and have gone (and still going) through the hoops with NatWest, AIC, Triton, uncle Tom Cobley and all. It gets to be a bit of a game eventually, once the panic and the cold sweats have passed. I have an issue with NatWest who let me have an overdraft of £100, but bumped up the charges to about £1400. I have told them to get stuffed, sent them payment for the hundred pounds I owed them and have now CCA'd them for what they say they owe me, knowing full well that I don't have a signed valid credit agreement for that amount. I sent them stamps to the value of £1 before Christmas and they returned it saying they don't accept stamps. I have just sent them a PO for a quid.

The problem NatWest have is that they cannot take this any further because they cannot take you to County Court , because you live abroad (you have to have a UK address for the Court process. So the game begins by putting the frightners on you (AIC et al). All you need to do is send one "Account in Dispute" letter to each debt collector as they write to you and they go away. Don't speak to them at all - they are ignorant/arrogant gits, and make sure you KEEP EVERYTHING including envelopes.

This site has been a life saver to many thousands of desparate people, myself included, so keep calm, keep reading, and keep posting!

Cordialement...

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one question I have: does your UK credit file get accessed by lenders in other EU countries?

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