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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
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Chest freezers don't consume a lot of electric if they are fairly new but if old they will keep switching on and off consuming electric. Then again if you balance it out against what they save by buying in bulk and cutting down on travel it may even out.

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Chest freezers don't consume a lot of electric if they are fairly new but if old they will keep switching on and off consuming electric. Then again if you balance it out against what they save by buying in bulk and cutting down on travel it may even out.

 

yep

 

i found those freezer plugs very good on the old type chest freezers.

cuts usage down by almost 50%.

 

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Hello, please can you tell me what you mean by 'i found those freezer plugs very good on the old type chest freezers.

cuts usage down by almost 50%.'?

yeah I was wondering about that unless they were thinking of timer switch.

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what

they've been around for year.

 

basically the quickly switch the power on/off so upto +50% less energy is used by the compressor.

 

 

http://blog.sparksdirect.co.uk/back-on-the-market-the-savaplug-energy-saving-plug-for-freezers-and-fridges-reduced-price/

 

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If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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i have a full w/end

 

i'll help next week if not before

 

if i can have aquick look see to refresh myself i will

 

dont forget though

they have [or did] put step by step guides on their website.

 

have you tried using a search engine?

 

try typing

 

the owl - how to set rates and tariffs

 

or simular words i bet its already out there

 

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Hello again!

Sorry for the late update but i've finally got my parents to go through every house aplliance with me and the brilliant 'Owl' energy monitor and i have listed everything on a piece of paper!

Basically the worst ones that my parents either did use or do use are:

 

Tumble Dryer: Min 1.336kwh/Max 2.399kwh(Now use a rotary washing line most on of the washing)

Pond pump+Fridge Freezer(on 1 plug): Min 0.580kwh/Max 1.320 (on all the time)

C/Heating(kerosene fueled):

Hot water: 0.193kwh

Heating: 0.097kwh

Both: 0.290kwh

 

Basically the constant useage from 8am to 11pm is between 0.0700kwh and 1.200kwh (i assume the variance is due to fridges/freezers coming on and off?)

 

They are currently with Scottish Gas electricity payment meter but plan to change to Eon direct debit paperless billing to save 40% (according to Eon)

The normal price for their Scottish Power electric is 11.22p per unit but apparently they are on the social tarriff so actually get charged 9.98p per unit.

The normal price for their Scottish Power standing charge is 17.29p per day but apparently they are on the social tarriff so actually get charged 9.98p per day.

They apparently get the difference refunded every 6 months and have had £32 in August 2009 and £39 in February 2010.

 

Im sorry if this information is put accross in a complicated way, i have tried my best!

 

I have two questions:

1, is this medium or high useage?

2, How can my parents tell if they have been charged too much in the past?

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we have scottish power onboard here at cag

i'd be inclined to send that member a pm to have a look see at this thread

 

an avg of 700W-1200W i would say is quite high for their home

 

i've got an 6 bedroom bnb and that hovers at 1400W in dalight hrs.

you now need to start taking daily electric meter readings

 

then corrolate that with the owls daily total to see if the meter is over-reading....more common than they will have your believe.

 

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We are retired and have found Southern to be the best when it comes to customer service, pricing and social tariffs. We are on Economy 10 with them and get a £50 rebate every year plus other extras. Did you know that they can apply for a free new freezer fridge through Southern? You don't need to be supplied by SOUT either. I am assumning that they are getting shot of the Pre Payment Meter as soon as possible and they don't have to wait until they change supplier.

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Hi bankhater10

 

You have been given some excellent advise regarding your parents consumption.

 

As your parents are on our Social Tariff, they will be getting charged our cheapest rates. This is regardless of how they pay for their energy.

 

If you want me to look into the account for you and provide you with some more in depth consumption details, just send me a private message, like dx100uk has said, and I'll be happy to help and provide as much information as I can.

 

Kind Regards

 

Colin @ ScottishPower

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thanks colin

 

dx

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Hello+thank you all for your answers/help! Thank you s.power rep, i shall contact you later when im at home! In the meantime id like to ask if i am to check to see if the meter isn't overcharging am i to get the owl to record a whole days worth/useage (if this is possible) and set the meter to do the same (if this is possible) and then compare them?

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id like to ask if i am to check to see if the meter isn't overcharging am i to get the owl to record a whole days worth/useage (if this is possible) and set the meter to do the same (if this is possible) and then compare them?

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if you go on the help centre here and select your model

there are pages of FAQ's

 

http://www.theowl.com/index.php?page=about-owl

 

dx

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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As for getting the units per day/week/month, let me explain that i only travel to see my parents once a week as it is quite far away so to get this far (willing to swap suppliers, willing to change from pay-meter, actually using an energy monitor) is quite pleasing! I am going to their house tomorrow where i shall hopefully get stuck into the owl and the various options available.

Am i correct in thinking that what i need to do is get my parents to take a reading from both the meter and owl at regular intervals, such as once per day, to get an accurate measurement of how much they use? Im not sure the owl has this option but i guess it has...

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no need to be sorry

 

its the easiest way for you to undersatand what to do to get what you need.

 

dx

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Hi again, i have looked through the FAQ on the Owl website and rang the contact number from the site and no one seems to be able to verify that it does have the capability to give a total of units/kwh used during a given time (say, 8am to 8am the next morning) so that i/they can compare it to the meter, thus establishing once and for all whether the meter is reading correctly or incorrectly! One thing the Owl number helper did say was that there is a usb device you can buy to connect to a PC but i just find it a bit strange that the owl doesn't have this capability?

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yea i know...didn't know there was a usb converter..i'll look meself.

 

 

well then all that needs to be done is do it manually

read the total on the meter and total on the owl at the same time AM/PM.

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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yep correct

but it increments just like the lecky meter

so's just read both at the same time of day for a few days

or at 8am/8pm or whatever.

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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