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Hi Again PatrickQ1 and Kelcou,

 

Apologies at being a nuisance, but the CAG PM system won't let me send a message to Tuvalu. Are you able to do the honours and email her to advise that there is a post on CAG with information that might help get the result she needs for the passing of her partner, and in a way that doesn't require her to place her and her family in financial harms way? In other words, the Health & Safety Executive and if necessary the police and CPS will, or at least should investigate.

 

Kind regards,

 

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Thanks PatrickQ1,

 

Much appreciated.

 

Even if Tuvalu doesn't respond, there appear to be at least two other deaths by suicide related to the new Atos/DWP 'Medical Assessment' failings that require formal and thorough investigation. Methinks this might be a serious issue for those at Atos/DWP who refuse to 'improve' their defective 'Medical Assessment' system that on the evidence, has actual deaths in close proximity to the Atos/DWP 'Medical Assessment' et al. I have come across alleged DWP stonewalling that may very presage and end up a more serious matter than the MP Expenses Scandal. At least, as far as I know, no one lost their lives as a result of the MP Expenses Scandal. Even then the jails have MPs and Lords imprisoned.

 

For anyone curious, the fines and custodial sentences under the new Homicide Act, and breaches of the Health & Safety legislation are very very serious.

 

For civil servants and MPs, the Crown Immunity on material sections of the legislation have been removed.

 

Watch this space.

 

Very best regards to CAG,

 

banana.

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I personally do not think it will bother a single MP with regards to the suicides ,MR DS should be held accountable , but they never are they will sqirm out of it, as for expenses any single one of them who has abused the system ought to be held to account ,including MR osbourne who incedently flipped his home and also moved his money 10 mil plus to Guernsey seems he gets away with it but not others ,i do hope eventually someone does begin an action against Atosh and DWP but that is just wishful thinking

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Hi PatrickQ1,

 

I take your point and share your cynicism about MPs not being held to account. However, I draw a breath of fresh air from what Heather Brooke started with an almost invisible Freedom of Information request in 2005 that developed into a political maelstrom. Long story short, and it is worth reminding ourselves as we have a severe bout of cynicism, this led to one of the biggest upheavals at Westminster for centuries.....

 

Ex MP David Chaytor convicted and sentenced to 18 months imprisonment.

 

Ex MP Eric Illsley convicted and sentenced to 12 months imprisonment.

 

Ex MP Jim Devine convicted and sentenced to 16 months imprisonment.

 

Ex MP Elliot Morely convicted and sentenced to 16 months imprisonment.

 

Lord Taylor of Warwick convicted and sentenced to 12 months imprisonment.

 

Lord Hanningfield convicted of false accounting on 26th May 2011 and awaiting sentence.

 

 

On top of many of the above liars and crooks being jailed, we have the political P45s....

 

Baron Bhatia has been suspended from the House of Lords for eight months and told to repay £27,446.

 

Baron Paul has been suspended from the House of Lords for four months and told to repay £41,982

 

Baroness Uddin faces a police investigation. She has been suspended from the House of Lords until the end of 2012 and ordered to repay £125,349.

 

Ex MP Jacqui Smith stood down as Home Secretary during her partners period of taxpayer funded porn purchase. She was voted out of the House of commons in 2010

 

Ex Chief Secretary to the Treasury, David Laws recently resigned from the new government following a still live £40,000 expense problem.

 

Ex MP Geoff Hoon was humiliated in a television documentary and didn't even stand as an MP in 2010

 

Ex MP and Minister of Employment and WELFARE REFORM Tony McNulty was forced to apologise to the House of Commons and repay £13,837 in dodgy expenses. He was booted out of the House of Commons in 2010.

 

Ex MP and Exchequer Secretary to the Treasury Kitty Usher resigned her position after just 8 days, following publication of her efforts to avoid Capital Gains Tax.

 

The list of political casualties from the Expenses Scandal and related FOI issues that have come to light goes on, and on, and on.

 

Current MINORITY Government Secretary of State Iain Duncan Smith was subject to a dodgy CV expose by investigative reporter Michael Crick. Let us not forget, Duncan Smith was SACKED by his previous employer in a humiliating vote of no confidence in him as Conservative Party Leader. His coat is on the proverbial shugglie peg.

 

My Point? Simple. If MPs do not listen to the warnings of unfairness and injustice, they will face tougher sanctions.

 

In the case of this thread, and the deaths linked to Atos/DWP, there is the distinct probability of prosecution of MPs and Civil Servants with the possibility of jail sentences being handed down to DWP Decision Makers, right up to Iain Duncan Smith being hauled before the courts WITHOUT CROWN IMMUNITY if they do not get their act, and the conduct of Atos employees and DWP officials in line with the new Homicide Act, the HSE Legislation and the Human Rights Act.

 

This matter is what might be described as a 'slow burner'.

 

It took Heather Brooke 4 years from her first FOI request. But the result shook the Mother of All Parliaments to its foundation. That is an undeniable FACT.

 

Tragically, the lessons of fairness, right, justice, and elected representatives/civil servants acting within the law themselves still haven't been learnt.

 

The matter of Atos/DWP and deaths by 'Medical Assessment' appear on this thread in a very obscure corner.

 

But mark my words, the matter will travel up the political agenda as time goes by.

 

Then again, what do I know? I am only a disabled former police officer.

 

Very best regards,

 

banana.

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Hi PatrickQ1,

 

I take your point and share your cynicism about MPs not being held to account. However, I draw a breath of fresh air from what Heather Brooke started with an almost invisible Freedom of Information request in 2005 that developed into a political maelstrom. Long story short, and it is worth reminding ourselves as we have a severe bout of cynicism, this led to one of the biggest upheavals at Westminster for centuries.....

 

Ex MP David Chaytor convicted and sentenced to 18 months imprisonment.

 

Ex MP Eric Illsley convicted and sentenced to 12 months imprisonment.

 

Ex MP Jim Devine convicted and sentenced to 16 months imprisonment.

 

Ex MP Elliot Morely convicted and sentenced to 16 months imprisonment.

 

Lord Taylor of Warwick convicted and sentenced to 12 months imprisonment.

 

Lord Hanningfield convicted of false accounting on 26th May 2011 and awaiting sentence.

 

 

On top of many of the above liars and crooks being jailed, we have the political P45s....

 

Baron Bhatia has been suspended from the House of Lords for eight months and told to repay £27,446.

 

Baron Paul has been suspended from the House of Lords for four months and told to repay £41,982

 

Baroness Uddin faces a police investigation. She has been suspended from the House of Lords until the end of 2012 and ordered to repay £125,349.

 

Ex MP Jacqui Smith stood down as Home Secretary during her partners period of taxpayer funded porn purchase. She was voted out of the House of commons in 2010

 

Ex Chief Secretary to the Treasury, David Laws recently resigned from the new government following a still live £40,000 expense problem.

 

Ex MP Geoff Hoon was humiliated in a television documentary and didn't even stand as an MP in 2010

 

Ex MP and Minister of Employment and WELFARE REFORM Tony McNulty was forced to apologise to the House of Commons and repay £13,837 in dodgy expenses. He was booted out of the House of Commons in 2010.

 

Ex MP and Exchequer Secretary to the Treasury Kitty Usher resigned her position after just 8 days, following publication of her efforts to avoid Capital Gains Tax.

 

The list of political casualties from the Expenses Scandal and related FOI issues that have come to light goes on, and on, and on.

 

Current MINORITY Government Secretary of State Iain Duncan Smith was subject to a dodgy CV expose by investigative reporter Michael Crick. Let us not forget, Duncan Smith was SACKED by his previous employer in a humiliating vote of no confidence in him as Conservative Party Leader. His coat is on the proverbial shugglie peg.

 

My Point? Simple. If MPs do not listen to the warnings of unfairness and injustice, they will face tougher sanctions.

 

In the case of this thread, and the deaths linked to Atos/DWP, there is the distinct probability of prosecution of MPs and Civil Servants with the possibility of jail sentences being handed down to DWP Decision Makers, right up to Iain Duncan Smith being hauled before the courts WITHOUT CROWN IMMUNITY if they do not get their act, and the conduct of Atos employees and DWP officials in line with the new Homicide Act, the HSE Legislation and the Human Rights Act.

 

This matter is what might be described as a 'slow burner'.

 

It took Heather Brooke 4 years from her first FOI request. But the result shook the Mother of All Parliaments to its foundation. That is an undeniable FACT.

 

Tragically, the lessons of fairness, right, justice, and elected representatives/civil servants acting within the law themselves still haven't been learnt.

 

The matter of Atos/DWP and deaths by 'Medical Assessment' appear on this thread in a very obscure corner.

 

But mark my words, the matter will travel up the political agenda as time goes by.

 

Then again, what do I know? I am only a disabled former police officer.

 

Very best regards,

 

banana.

 

 

All these MPs that spent time in "prison" if you can call it that spent in fact merely 1/4 of the term handed down by the judges.

Do look that fact up.

Furthermore every last one of them served their time in a very soft open prison. And I have a relative that works at Leyhill open prison and it's a standing joke that it's more luxurious than more pay for fitness/health boot camps that exist throughout the country. Open prisons are really the wealthy and powerful version of a free health boot camp similar to the tv programme for naughty teenagers shown on mainstream tv.

Lord Archer spent much of his time in prison writing a book and spending weekend time at the opera and fine restaurants with the prison governor.

 

Why hasn't his title been removed and surely a fine of £1,000,000 and a prison spell in somewhere like Strangeways as a penalty?

 

To honest most of these toff dicks need a very hefty fine related where possible to their personal wealth. It is a waste of time putting them in prison.

 

It's like former MP Margaret Moran (never prosecuted for major fraud) and indeed recently the tory MP Patrick Mercer ( brushed under the carpet and very likely never to be prosecuted). These of course are only the ones that have been caught numerous other MPs including Cameron and Clegg, Ed Balls and his wife were doing very dodgy deals "within the rules" - (their own rules) making tens of thousand by flipping properties and yet the likes of Tory boys like Cameron and his fag Osbourne with allegedly offshore accounts in the channel islands yet criticizing companies like Google for working "within the rules" too.

 

Quite honestly you've got more chance of the IPCC finding the Police guilty of malpractice and as you are well aware that hasn't happened in the history of the Police. For the same reasons why these MPs never get properly punished.

 

This lady is wasting her time and money bothering to take the DWP and Atos to court as true as IPCC is as about as independent to the Police service as my head is to my body, and ultimately the courts will always rule a nine bob note is legal tender if the government tell them to do so.

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