Civil enforcement help please

[awol345]

Hi,this is my first ever post,I have decided to join the CAG forum after reading numerous threads about parking charge notices. I live on the Isle of Wight and have an issue with a parking ticket I was issued after being ten minutes late back to the car after watching a film in Coppins bridge car park.Two weeks later I recieved a letter asking for £75 and this would increase to £150 if not settled within 2 weeks.This is when my research started,I found an article in that weeks local paper telling people not to pay as it is unenforceable,however next weeks paper said the opposite.This has left me confused and worried especially after recently receiving a baliffs letter demanding a sum in excess of £230.My wife did try and contact the civil enforcement people in Liverpool and explained we had lost the letter and were going to pay,but no further communication.Sorry f I have missed any details,please ask and I will fill you in.Thanks for any help you can offer me in this confusing matter awol345

[Surfer01]

Did the alleged offence take place on council land or private land. If on private land just ognore it.

Not sure where Liverpool comes into it unless thjis is a seperate issue and another ticket.

Can you please clarify your post in a bit more detail so that we can answer it as appropriate? Thanks.

[crem]

Assuming CE are not acting on behalf of a council, (the council name will be clearly shown on the PCN), then you should completely ignore tehm

 

Do not appeal

Do not telephone them

Do not write to them

Do not reply to their mail

Do not pay them

[awol345]

The car park in question always used to be free,I mean it never had ticket machines/pay and display.Hence my lack of warning.The Liverpool thing is merely where the notice was posted from,nothing else.I have received parking tickets from the local council (not for at least a year)and paid them.This is entirely different not to mention alot more expensive.My wife is convinced its a [problem] but now the baliffs are sending me letters Im not so sure

[kiptower]

baliffs, sending you letters , dont think so , read them again its toothless [causing problems] DCA's

 

it it actuallys says its a letter from a baliff , scan it and post it removing your details

[awol345]

I found this on the internet

A total of 297 car-parking spaces. This comprises of Furlongs car park which has 96 on-site car-parking spaces. In addition, there are a further 201 public car parking spaces on the adjacent Upper Coppins Bridge Car Park, which is accessed via a footbridge across the A3020.

The Upper Coppins Bridge Car Park is controlled by the local authority.

The Furlongs car park is free however there is a maximum stay of1.5hours The Furlongs carpark is the one I was in hope that helps

[awol345]

The baliff letter is from a company called Newlyn.Unfortunatly my wife ripped the letter up.She was quite angery and has done the same to all the letters we received,not good I know.Like I say she is convinced its a [problem] and saw no reason to keep them,and took great comfort in tearing them into tiny pieces!

[kiptower]

you really need to know if it was a Council ticket or a PPC ticket

 

if it was a Council ticket , then baliffs could be involved

[awol345]

What is a PPC ticket?There are two carparks on this site,one is pay and dislpay and one isn't.I parked in the one that isn't,Im almost certian its private land.

[kiptower]

PPC = Private Parking Company

 

if you are 100% you was in that part and not the Council then you can ignore, do you have any paper work regarding this that you have not detroyed ??

[awol345]

Also there was no mention of the local council on the letters,it is exactly the same as others I have veiwed on the forum.Headed Civil enforcement ltd blah blah Liverpool etc.Also has the scales of justice on it

[Surfer01]

Are you able to post up the original ticket? Sounds like it is a private ticket. If in doubt, contact your local council and ask if they issued the ticket. If they say no then continue to ignore.

[awol345]

Reply from IW Trading Standards

Thought you may be interested in this from IOW

 

Thank you for your enquiry.

 

Civil Enforcement Ltd were contracted by the landowner in December 2009 to protect the car park from overstaying and denying business to the other companies on the site.

 

The issue is civil and contractual and not one this service is able to become involved with. The terms of the contract are clearly stated at the entrance and there are signs within the car park. If a driver parks in the car park they are deemed to have accepted those terms (ie staying no more than 90 minutes). If the driver breaches that contract by staying longer than 90 minutes, the landowner is entitled to losses.

 

The company is acting within the British Parking Association guidelines, which again makes it difficult for this service to act.

 

If you feel that the company has acted unfairly you may wish to register a complaint with the British Parking Association

[kiptower]

if that refers to the ticket , correction >> [problem] INVOICE you received then you can ignore it , pity you didnt have the Newlands letter ( they may well send you another one ) because if they claim they are acting as Baliff's in the matter of a PPC Invoice without it being to Court their in the deep brown stuff

 

by what you have said it would would be safe to just ignore their petty attempts to [problem] you

[awol345]

Thankyou thats music to my ears,however you can't help feeling sorry for those who pay/will pay in the future.Something should be done to stop innocent motorists being the victims of PPCs Wheel clamping etc is absolutely discusting and so so wrong!!!

[Surfer01]

Ignore and ignore some more even when they send those threatening letters implying imminent court action.