Esa cost me a week.

[ErikaPNP]

Sorry to keep you all hanging on.

 

Ok here's what happend,

 

i decided to take a trip to a dwp-atos office london(i can't say which one been advised not to) off i went to have my say, i go get to the said office in london only to be met by this security gaurd and he ask me can i help you i replied yes you can is there any chance of talking to a manager or supervisor i have some private questions i would like to put to them he said wait a minute i will find out he came back and said someone will be with you in a bit, i said ok thanks, 5 minutes later the manager turned up he then ask me what can i do for you so i said can i be blunt and get to the point he said ok, so then i go onto say why is it that you treat the disabled in this way he then said what do you mean i reply these so called assesments you do for this ESA benifit, and i said about your DM's and so called Atos medical staff, no reply i said you can see from peoples esa50-ib50 forms there problems you don't ask them what's on there forms and put a completely different story to what is on there forms and don't take there Doc's reports ect, he went red in the face and asked me to leave i said i hit the nail on the head have i the truth hurts.

With that they called security and again asked me to leave i replied with some strong words like the truth hurts and (bearing in mind i had my walking stick) so i thought im not getting anywere here so then i thought what the hell so i lashed out and said get your hands of my to the security gaurd he though he was a big man so i clumped him with my stick and replied skrew you.

The next thing the police was called and carted me down to the cop shop to be interveiwed it was a shame anyway Q after Q well that turned out not so good either night in the cell next up in court i said to the judge a few home truth's and as normal they side with the goverment and there came a weeks holiday HMP and a fine to add to my outburst my old saying is nothing ventured nothing gained. i have spoke to the papers about this farce i went in to get some truth about the lie's these people, to tell all i got was (we never lie) whether they make a story about this who knows.

But because im headstrong i don't give up easy i will be fighting again, when someone with a disablement that has not got a lot, i try to survive on what little i get to keep my head above water.

My old saying is if your back is against the wall what is the first line of defence it is attack.

So my next mission will be no 10 once i see what is going down with new parliment,

as i say when you got nothing and at you lowest it means to me to fight for whats right..

 

 

Don't give up!

if you deserve you benifit fight for it.

ESA and the muppets that are behind this farce it's not working.

Here's my campain link

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/campaign/251610-calling-all-disabled-people.html

 

Libro

 

 

 

I fully appreciate the anger you must feel, LIRBO. I agree that ESA is not doing what it was designed to do. It is not supporting the genuinely ill and yes, something needs to be done about it.

 

The members here are more than welcome to use the forum to brainstorm and discuss ideas for campaigning. However when someone goes to an ATOS centre and "clumps" an innocent party with a walking stick - CAG cannot support that.

 

It's also worth bearing in mind that the buildings used by ATOS are not all solely used by them. Many of them house other organisations too, which means innocent parties can get caught in the cross-fire. A security guard is there to do a job. He is nothing to do with whether or not a person gets awarded a benefit and CAG cannot support the assualt on him, or on anyone else for that matter.

 

Now, I do not want to see the ATOS threads removed. Particularly at a time when awareness about ESA is greater than it has ever been, and support is being drummed up. Numbers can make a campaign all the more successful. CAG will continue to allow the forum for discussion of a way forward. However if it comes to a stage where we have to pull the threads then we will do so.

 

Keep campaigning, but do it sensibly. In a way that will work for change, not a way that will put you behind bars. It's hard enough for people to be taken seriously with this campaign.

[Like-Im-Being-Ripped-Off]

I fully appreciate the anger you must feel, LIRBO. I agree that ESA is not doing what it was designed to do. It is not supporting the genuinely ill and yes, something needs to be done about it.

 

The members here are more than welcome to use the forum to brainstorm and discuss ideas for campaigning. However when someone goes to an ATOS centre and "clumps" an innocent party with a walking stick - CAG cannot support that. Fair Enough ERICA

 

It's also worth bearing in mind that the buildings used by ATOS are not all solely used by them. I Konw This Many of them house other organisations too, which means innocent parties can get caught in the cross-fire. A security guard is there to do a job. He is nothing to do with whether or not a person gets awarded a benefit I Know This, He Was Mauling Me First So I Reacted It's In My Nature To Protect One's Self and CAG cannot support the assualt on him, or on anyone else for that matter. Im Not Asking For Support To Go Around Beating On People Sorry If That's How It Looks But That's Not The Intention I Can Assure Of That.

 

Now, I do not want to see the ATOS threads removed. Particularly at a time when awareness about ESA is greater than it has ever been, and support is being drummed up. Numbers can make a campaign all the more successful. CAG will continue to allow the forum for discussion of a way forward. However if it comes to a stage where we have to pull the threads then we will do so. Ok

 

Keep campaigning, but do it sensibly. In a way that will work for change, not a way that will put you behind bars. It's hard enough for people to be taken seriously with this campaign.

 

Sorry Erica Please Forgive Me..

 

Libro

[Yet_Another_Atos_Victim]

Nice one Libro, and thanks for your reply to one of mine - I got lost around the site (cos I get confused, not cos of the site btw) and will have another look at it again in a bit cos it was useful.

 

If you want to sign my petition "Sack Atos Immediately":

Sack Atos Healthcare Immediately Petition

 

If you want to see my Freedom Of Information request "Control of Atos, a contractor of DWP":

Control of Atos Healthcare, a contractor to DWP - WhatDoTheyKnow

[RaeUK]

He Was Mauling Me First So I Reacted

 

To be fair, I read Libro's post as him reacting in self-defence. I don't believe any regular Cagger would condone violence but, and rightly so, we should support the victims of crime and injustice...

Best wishes

Rae

[Like-Im-Being-Ripped-Off]

To be fair, I read Libro's post as him reacting in self-defence. I WAS I don't believe any regular Cagger would condone violence but, and rightly so, we should support the victims of crime and injustice...

Best wishes

Rae

 

And im Disabled too.

 

LIBRO

[ErikaPNP]

To be fair, I read Libro's post as him reacting in self-defence. I don't believe any regular Cagger would condone violence but, and rightly so, we should support the victims of crime and injustice...

Best wishes

Rae

 

He did not mention this in his post describing the situation; his post states that he lashed out because he was not getting anywhere. There was no mention of any mauling until after the post had been noted by the site team.

 

LIBRO should have advised the police that he was acting in defence and described in which way he was "mauled". If he has done so and an assault on LIBRO not been taken seriously or investigated properly, then an official complaint should be made to the police requesting an invesitgation into the manner in which the situation was handled.

 

In any case, LIBRO appears to have gone down there with the intention of confronting a person who has no power to alter the system. Such measures do little to assist a campaign, this type of measure simply places claimants at a further disadvantage as they are placed in a light which makes them look aggresive.

 

As stated CAG will continue to support your campaign by allowing your voices to be heard through the forum. We are here for the consumer however we also have to protect the interests of the site, which does not extend to supporting aggresive methods of campaign.

 

Keep fighting, but do it together and do it in a manner which will make people listen, and parliment sit up and take notice, so that if there is a repeat episode there are witness to any backlash.

[RaeUK]

Whilst I completely agree with the gist of what you are saying, Erika, the reason I read the original post as self-defence - albeit clumsily phrased [apols Libro] - was this:

 

so i lashed out and said get your hands of my to the security gaurd

 

I presumed 'my' was a typo and should have been 'me' which gives the impression the security guard had got physical with him.

Or a word could be missing and the security guard could have taken something from his possession.

 

I could be wrong of course it was just how I read it ...

 

Best wishes

Rae

[farmlama]

Sorry to keep you all hanging on.

 

Ok here's what happend,

 

i decided to take a trip to a dwp-atos office london(i can't say which one been advised not to) off i went to have my say, i go get to the said office in london only to be met by this security gaurd and he ask me can i help you i replied yes you can is there any chance of talking to a manager or supervisor i have some private questions i would like to put to them he said wait a minute i will find out he came back and said someone will be with you in a bit, i said ok thanks, 5 minutes later the manager turned up he then ask me what can i do for you so i said can i be blunt and get to the point he said ok, so then i go onto say why is it that you treat the disabled in this way he then said what do you mean i reply these so called assesments you do for this ESA benifit, and i said about your DM's and so called Atos medical staff, no reply i said you can see from peoples esa50-ib50 forms there problems you don't ask them what's on there forms and put a completely different story to what is on there forms and don't take there Doc's reports ect, he went red in the face and asked me to leave i said i hit the nail on the head have i the truth hurts.

With that they called security and again asked me to leave i replied with some strong words like the truth hurts and (bearing in mind i had my walking stick) so i thought im not getting anywere here so then i thought what the hell so i lashed out and said get your hands of my to the security gaurd he though he was a big man so i clumped him with my stick and replied skrew you.

The next thing the police was called and carted me down to the cop shop to be interveiwed it was a shame anyway Q after Q well that turned out not so good either night in the cell next up in court i said to the judge a few home truth's and as normal they side with the goverment and there came a weeks holiday HMP and a fine to add to my outburst my old saying is nothing ventured nothing gained. i have spoke to the papers about this farce i went in to get some truth about the lie's these people, to tell all i got was (we never lie) whether they make a story about this who knows.

But because im headstrong i don't give up easy i will be fighting again, when someone with a disablement that has not got a lot, i try to survive on what little i get to keep my head above water.

My old saying is if your back is against the wall what is the first line of defence it is attack.

 

So my next mission will be no 10 once i see what is going down with new parliment,

as i say when you got nothing and at you lowest it means to me to fight for whats right..

 

 

Don't give up!

if you deserve you benifit fight for it.

ESA and the muppets that are behind this farce it's not working.

Here's my campain link

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/campaign/251610-calling-all-disabled-people.html

 

Libro

 

 

so you assaulted somebody with a weapon because you couldnt get your own way, thats not going to give you a good image now is it?

[RaeUK]

You're selective reading, farmlama, is almost as good as mine!

Best wishes

Rae

[COUNTMEIN]

Hi all,

been on a mission of justice,

it cost me a week inside Her Majesty's prison.

The food was crap.

we must keep fighting this shame.

 

Libro

 

ESA out.

 

'only 'we' know the distress and anxiety & frustation ESA AKA AS COULDN'T GIVE ATOS causes. thumbs up to you hun. I am with you all the way:)

[hendo001]

Remember folks it is better to not go and visit them like this as it will cause future issues and make our complaints against them look weaker if we do rash things and end up being detained at her majesty's pleasure.

 

The right thing to do is leave them alone for now untill we can stack up so much evidence against them then hand it in to our MP's or the courts of human rights or something like that.

 

Grats to libro for trying to raise awareness of our plight but it lead to something else happening in the wrong light.

 

I know people are upset/angry etc but we must rise above ATOSs pettyness and take the high moral ground.

[RaeUK]

Whilst I agree wholeheartedly with you, hendo, it remains far from clear that the OP wasn't defending themselves...

Best wishes

Rae

[hendo001]

Whilst I agree wholeheartedly with you, hendo, it remains far from clear that the OP wasn't defending themselves...

Best wishes

Rae

 

I have read the posts too, maybe libro wasn't as clear as he could of been when he made the posts and I fully understand his intentions of a peaceful person who was put into an extremely difficult situation and he responded in a way as to defend himself.

 

Cool heads are what are needed now I hope libro wont go off without the rest of us next time :grin: