Facing disciplinary action for being innocent

[Jimbo-Jones]

PLEASE SAY YOU GOT A COPY OF THAT STATEMENT

 

UnFrickenbelievable!

[honeybee13]

Snap, Mariefab.

[mariefab]

Unlike honeybee, I type (and think) very slowly.

[outofsync24]

The meeting didn't actually take place, it got postponed.

 

They didn't copy his signature, they just signed his name at the bottom of a handwritten piece of paper. It didn't even look like his signature.

 

The search part of his contract says exactly what I wrote, nothing about a stop and search policy or anything, but I've got to read his handbook to make sure. And the first time he got searched, it was the supervisor who searched him and his belongings thoroughly, because she said he HAD to be searched, even though I thought it couldn't be the person who was the accuser??? And the last time, the search was done by a bloke he works in the kitchen with

[outofsync24]

They said the photocopier wasn't working but they were going to send all copies through the post and I said I fully expect the one that my son "gave" to be there too

[Jimbo-Jones]

The meeting didn't actually take place, it got postponed.

 

They didn't copy his signature, they just signed his name at the bottom of a handwritten piece of paper. It didn't even look like his signature.

 

The search part of his contract says exactly what I wrote, nothing about a stop and search policy or anything, but I've got to read his handbook to make sure. And the first time he got searched, it was the supervisor who searched him and his belongings thoroughly, because she said he HAD to be searched, even though I thought it couldn't be the person who was the accuser??? And the last time, the search was done by a bloke he works in the kitchen with

 

That counts If it was just his name at the bottom of a peice of paper they would have typed and printed the statement they were trying to pass that off as his and if you hadnt picked up that it wasnt his they would have more than likely written something in the notes of the meeting "shown copy of statement signed by defendant"

 

seriously some companies are THAT devious!

[Bigredbus]

This is getting interesting by the post (if I may say)...

 

a) he gets searched, first time, by his supervisor... she is a woman!

 

b) they just signed/wrote his name on a hand-written 'piece of paper' and call it a statement SIGNED by your son...

 

c) and the third time around the 'bloke' from the kitchen search him!

 

You want to check that handbook of employment...

 

You want to request copy, or copies of the statement(s) granting them right to search by your son, along with a true and signed copy, or copies of the 'stop and search' form(s) filled in by supervisor/manager...

 

This is absolutely unbelievable... but I must admit that I am not shocked...

[outofsync24]

I'm really in two minds whether or not to contact the police about this myself, because what the girl we spoke to informally today said, is that after the hearing, the decision is hers, but from her attitude, she's saying that he's guilty already.

[Bigredbus]

If you can... go to an employment lawyer/solicitor... ACAS and/or CAB...

 

You MUST gather all of the evidence first, if at all possible...

[Jimbo-Jones]

I dont also believe you can be searched by your accuser either? In this case the woman.

 

Im off to check the stop and search proceedures for my company but i believe they are government issued i.e government guidance with a few extra items added on company headed paper. so they should be the same but you wont find that out till you get all the docs through.

 

I believe your accuser has the right to be present however i dont think they can search you themselves.

 

WRT the fact that she is a lady searching a man that is quite a problem in itself.

 

Did you ask if the theft had been reported to the police whilst you were there?

[Bigredbus]

May I ask if the place he works at is part of a chain?

[mariefab]

There's no harm in ringing your local police for advice (rather than reporting the theft).

Edited March 31, 2010 by mariefab
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[outofsync24]

I fully intend to do that too. They can't be allowed to get away with this nonsense.

[outofsync24]

I told the manager to phone the police if he thought my son was guilty and ge said they wouldn't come as there is no CCTV so according to him there is no proof.

 

The chain he works for, according to their website, is the 2nd biggest restaurant chain in the country

[Bigredbus]

You should inform the HR department, at the Head-Office, of what is going on at that branch...

 

I am pretty sure they would act upon your detailed letter very fast...

[outofsync24]

It's worth a try. I phoned them yesterday to ask what their policy was regarding searches and they said, after going to find a handbook, that in the case of missing cash, then a more thorough search could be done. They didn't however say that it could be done more than once

[Jimbo-Jones]

I told the manager to phone the police if he thought my son was guilty and ge said they wouldn't come as there is no CCTV so according to him there is no proof.

 

The chain he works for, according to their website, is the 2nd biggest restaurant chain in the country

 

Hope that is in the transcript of the interview as if he believes there is no proof WTF are they still doing harrassing your son!

[Bigredbus]

Inform them of the 3 searches... one by a woman (his supervisor), forged your son's signature, forged an instrument with intent to use (the erm... statement)... that money has gone missing... and nothing has been found in any of your son's belongings or on his person...

[mariefab]

Is your son still suspended?

How long has he worked there?

[thewakers7]

mmm i also smell a "set up" a "conspiracy" harassment intimidation false allegation of theft, fraud

[Jimbo-Jones]

I smell Pizza!

[outofsync24]

Yes he's still suspended on full pay (glad to see they're doing something right) and he's worked there since the beginning of September

[mariefab]

OK, need to proceed a bit carefully as he's worked there less than a year.

As long as it's not for a discriminatory reason; they can dismiss him on any (or indeed no) grounds whatsoever.

[outofsync24]

But as far as I am aware, Theft is discriminatory and that's all that the disc is about

[mariefab]

Theft is discriminatory

 

Unfortunately, not in employment law. It covers discrimination on the grounds of sex, race, religon and disability.