Beat The Bailiff On TV

[seanamarts]

simples!

the landlord is not a consumer

he obviously has assets

by not fixing he put his own property and assets in jeapordy

by not paying damages he is putting his assets at risk

so, if i were you, claim that the house is yours (freehold) until thehe pays damages - assuming you are still there!

sm....i would not bite anyone's head off - but if i find a post absurd i may post an absurd reply if i've had a beer!

He can end my lease at any time he likes, The property is not his he is just an agent not the owner.

[hazza]

write to the owner sending a copy of the court order

stating that you will hold him responsible for the damage as the agent, is just that, his agent - like the bailiff is an agent of the council - if the owner does not respond, then seek damages due to as his agent failed to deliver xyz?

 

sod it... give me their address and i will utopia them up!

[seanamarts]

actually, if a judge has made an order for damages then there are ways to enforce a *court order* - which is not what i say not to pay!!!!

 

i am thinking and focused on enforcing a parking ticket

My point is whether we like it or not we do need enforcement officers/bailiffs.

regardless whether its for a PCN or CT or even a civil case regarding joe public. I dont like the bailiff industry I look at most of them as ****, but when they do it right they can be an asset for people who do need them.

[seanamarts]

write to the owner sending a copy of the court order

stating that you will hold him responsible for the damage as the agent, is just that, his agent - like the bailiff is an agent of the council - if the owner does not respond, then seek damages due to as his agent failed to deliver xyz?

 

sod it... give me their address and i will utopia them up!

Thank you for your kind offer of 'utopia them up' (what ever that is ) but it was in part a hypothetical scenario. but may be heading that way.

[hazza]

My point is whether we like it or not we do need enforcement officers/bailiffs.

regardless whether its for a PCN or CT or even a civil case regarding joe public. I dont like the bailiff industry I look at most of them as ****, but when they do it right they can be an asset for people who do need them.

 

simples!

 

enforcement should be the exception - not the rule

 

a bailiff should not be allowed to attend an address until absolute last resort - e.g. after a debt counsellor with spreadsheet is turned away and a judge has agreed that bailiff is only way forward, hey why not even have the judge phone the alleged debtor - hey mister, i'm aboiut to send a bauiliff to your address - any reason whatsoever why i shouldn't?

 

much time and money saved?

 

the rule is to enforce first and deal with exceptions via form 4's after

 

nein nein nein

 

should be other way around

 

anyway, i think cag users should start an ethical bailiff company and show what cag can do - then takeover all other bailiff companies

[hazza]

Thank you for your kind offer of 'utopia them up' (what ever that is )

 

something aj mentioned - i.e. a perfect world

[seanamarts]

something aj mentioned - i.e. a perfect world

ahh perfection is something i would not relish, as much as i dislike living in this world of utter chaos at least i can feel sadness so that i know what happy feels like when i am happy. to feel happy all the time we would in fact be emotionless because we would not know that we were happy, if that makes sense.

[little_evo]

Try telling that to the thousands of creditors who get swindled by the 'wont pays'....

 

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Thre is a huge difference between "won't pays" and can't pays"..In which bailiffs do not differentiate between the two. Tarring everyone with the same brush springs to mind...

[MrShed]

Thank you Mr Shed for joining in. (I see you didn't really bow out.)

 

It's a shame we're powerless to do anything about something everybody agrees needs cleaning up if not abolishing.

 

For those who have been concerned about qualifications, let me assure you that I have some GCSEs and loads and loads of scout badges.

 

Which scout badges?

 

No but I am actually bowing out now (cross my heart) haha.

 

I do feel that I've said all I have to say.

 

With respect to our fellow members such as hazza, whos views I do respect, I feel that the viewpoint is incredibly one sided, and some people I will never persuade, so I wont waste my time.

 

As my parting shot, I will simply reiterate the point that GENUINE creditors deserve to have their debts repayed as soon as possible when the judgement is granted, where there is the ability to pay.

 

If there are a value of goods owned by the debtor, then there is an ability to pay.

 

If you sued a bank for unfair charges, and that bank was massively in debt and had no cash to pay with, you would think it mighty unfair if the court said "well, yes they owe you money, and yes they have several million pounds worth of assets - but no we cant do anything I'm afraid - sorry".

 

If money is owed, it should be repaid.

 

Anyway, preaching over - I am on the wrong forum to have this viewpoint

 

(PS Hazza, why is it OK for a tenant to "take possession" of a property until a debt is repaid, but not for a baliff to do this with other property? I dont think I even need to say that there is no basis in law whatsoever to follow the process you outlined above - you would be rapidly evicted)

 

Was a fun discussion guys, enjoy it going forward!

[hazza]

hey - i just read up yesterdays posts - wow - good conversation

sorry if i offended anyone by rolloking anyone - i blame joncris - he used that term before and it seems quite apt in many places on the net

 

as for your Q:

 

(PS Hazza, why is it OK for a tenant to "take possession" of a property until a debt is repaid, but not for a baliff to do this with other property? I dont think I even need to say that there is no basis in law whatsoever to follow the process you outlined above - you would be rapidly evicted)

 

simples!

 

the tenant is party - the bailiff is a 3rd party

 

i know there is no basis in current law!!! - that's what we are discussing aren't we? hypothetical and hyperpathetical theories....

 

in fact it is what you asked isn't it? viable alternatives to the current system!

[High Court Enforcer]

hi shed,

Let's get some stats, i reckon 80-99% of orders involving bailiffs and consumers at home are large corps or gov

 

Most writs of fi fa are by businesses against other businesses for non payment of goods or services.

[High Court Enforcer]

BTW, regarding CT, you'd be amazed how may 'cant pays' have Sky TV...

[hazza]

and mobiles, and cars, and laptops and holidays and whatever else - none of a bailiffs business really - anywhay, how else are we to watch beat the bailiff on sky tv?

[RaeUK]

BTW, regarding CT, you'd be amazed how may 'cant pays' have Sky TV...

 

Which raises an interesting point.

[And before any pedants mention I'm continuing a debate in a thread contrary to my own advice, I rate this thread as a deviated discussion not started by someone in need ]

What is now classed socially as a necessity? Decades ago a tv would have been classed as a luxury. Now it is a necessary item of social inclusion, information and company for the lonely. Much as ye olde crystal set used to be.

Many now see sky tv, supa dupa plasma thingy screens et al as a necessity not a luxury.

For the record, I'm a real 'can't pay' - I don't even have channel 5...

Best wishes.

Rae.

[hazza]

internet is a necessity but it appears bailiffs can still take computers? shocking!

[seanamarts]

internet is a necessity but it appears bailiffs can still take computers? shocking!

always wondered if they have to remove the hard drive before taking a PC or laptop because of certain data that may be on there, for instance personal accounts and bank details, pin numbers etc.. would it be covered under the data protection??

[fluffy_bunny]

internet is a necessity but it appears bailiffs can still take computers? shocking!

 

ROLLOCKS to you

 

What planet do you live on where the internet and sky tv are necessities????

 

Have some respect for people who REALLY struggle not materiallistic wasters who do not pay their debts/bills

[hallowitch]

always wondered if they have to remove the hard drive before taking a PC or laptop because of certain data that may be on there, for instance personal accounts and bank details, pin numbers etc.. would it be covered under the data protection??

 

 

Ive often wondered that myself especially if its a business they are removing them from

[seanamarts]

ROLLOCKS to you

 

What planet do you live on where the internet and sky tv are necessities????

 

Have some respect for people who REALLY struggle not materiallistic wasters who do not pay their debts/bills

1 he/she didnt mention that 'sky' was a necessity and 2. If the government are giving away laptops to people who cannot afford them then surely that would be seen as having internet access and having a laptop a necessity.

Think about it.

Edited February 15, 2010 by seanamarts
grammar and spelling.. oh wait wasnt my spelling mistake lol

[fluffy_bunny]

'social' necessities are not REAL necessities

 

I think some people do not understand the meaning of the word necessity - something necessary or indispensable: food, shelter, and other necessities of life.

[fluffy_bunny]

always wondered if they have to remove the hard drive before taking a PC or laptop because of certain data that may be on there, for instance personal accounts and bank details, pin numbers etc.. would it be covered under the data protection??

 

I would imagine they would get round it by saying the onus is on you to remove any data you deem personal once it has been levied on as it is no longer legally your property

[seanamarts]

Ive often wondered that myself especially if its a business they are removing them from

most certainly. certainly if one of unscrupulous bailiffs get hold of the info, you never know what they would do with it. but then again I wouldnt be surprised if some of these numpties knew how to use a PC, most dont seem to know how to read and understand what they are doing half the time.

[fluffy_bunny]

reminds me of some on here

[hallowitch]

of course sky TV the Internet posh telly's prestige cars and holidays are luxury's.

 

and anyone who can afford them and still pay there bills good luck them however if you cant pay your debt then sky should be the first thing to go

In my opinion

 

yes i pay my bills no i don't have sky TV and if i am ever in the position that i cant pay my bills i would not think twice about selling hubby's car

[seanamarts]

'social' necessities are not REAL necessities

 

I think some people do not understand the meaning of the word necessity - something necessary or indispensable: food, shelter, and other necessities of life.

well I cannot speak for others but an internet connection is a necessity for me because it is a lifeline for me, and probably is for many disabled people like myself, because;

1. we can shop online

2.pay our bills online

3. do our banking online

4. keep in contact with friends and family online.

5. Be able to learn on line.

 

All these without having to rely on a carer to do it for us, makes us feel as if we are still apart of the out side world. So I have to say here that the internet/laptop is a necessity for me to live as normal as a life as I possibly can.