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    • I have just read the smaller print on their signs. It says that you can pay at the end of your parking session. given that you have ten minutes grace period the 35 seconds could easily have been taken up with walking back to your car, switching on the engine and then driving out. Even in my younger days when I used to regularly exceed speed limits, I doubt I could have done that in 35 seconds even when I  had a TR5.
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no we wont use the same letter, we understand you are still in dispute with godebt and would not wish to jepordize that it was simply for reference for use in other set asides etc on godebt and gives us a good incite into what they actually think

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That's cool Mate.

 

I gotta get mine set aside and wait for a court date yet...

 

Hopefully you should be done and dusted by then.

 

Thanks mate i have sent the letter today signed..

my solicitor will recieve it monday..

they did confirm it will take 2 weeks to finish all relitive paperwork..

I WILL LET YOU KNOW WHEN MY PAPERWORK ARRIVES....

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no we wont use the same letter, we understand you are still in dispute with godebt and would not wish to jepordize that it was simply for reference for use in other set asides etc on godebt and gives us a good incite into what they actually think

 

Totally Agree.

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no we wont use the same letter, we understand you are still in dispute with godebt and would not wish to jepordize that it was simply for reference for use in other set asides etc on godebt and gives us a good incite into what they actually think

 

THANK YOU...

Well its in the hands of solicitors anyway and i have sent signed copy of deed back to them so i am waiting for my solicitor to sort things out

Its the solicitor who has sorted this out for me

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Thanks mate i have sent the letter today signed..

my solicitor will recieve it monday..

they did confirm it will take 2 weeks to finish all relitive paperwork..

I WILL LET YOU KNOW WHEN MY PAPERWORK ARRIVES....

 

Yeah looking forward to your next update.

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Ive Been Going Over The Letter From The Solicitor And Confirms What I Have Been Saying All Along

 

The Yes Car Agreements Are Crap Because Any Deposit HAS Been Included In Paying The Ppi.

 

Go Debt Will State Its In Clause Xyz On The Agreement

 

Thats Bogus As The T&c Do Not Overide The Consumer Credit Act

 

The Total Amount Of Credit Has Been Mis-stated, Being A Prescribed Term, Game Over, A Court Cannot Enforce

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What i cannot understand is how the court did enforce it

Thats the worrying part not just for me..But others in the same boat

RE: charge order and ccj....

As my solicitor has sorted this matter out for me now..

only for them i would have been fighting till the end of time

 

BUMP

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the court enforced it because you did not originally defend the ccj and then the co came on top of that...if you had defended the original ccj then we could have fought that on the basis of unenforceability due to incorrect credit being misstated...the court would not have even looked at the documents they would have just given the ccj as you didnt defend..this is why on cag we tell everyone to defend any attempt to gain a ccj on behalf of dca

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I will be deleting my account forthwith

As been warned for helping caggers with there problems

by advising them that the solicitors that helped me

and posting a link

So it seems that even posting the letter that helped me is also wrong

but its ok for fellow caggers to post links for other related items to help people. Seems a bit wrong to me...one rule for one as the saying goes

SORRY FELLOW CAGGERS BUT I WONT BE POSTING THE UPDATE PROMISED

 

sorry to all

Hope you find the help from others

As mine is wrong

 

BUMP BUMP BUMP

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i am sorry to see you are deleting your account gdk you are in a position now to help a lot more caggers with the knowledge you now have and will have in the future...the problem with posting the solicitors link is that it is favouring one solicitor over another... and there are threads on here with people who have used this particular solicitor and not had such a pleasant outcome as yourself..however that said you did what you thought was correct.. and i for one will be sorry if you do not continue to help on here good luck with your case and hope everything works out for you

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Thanks for you kind words

But lets be honest there are some cases you cant even win let alone a solicitor...we are all aware of that......

 

i thought these sites are here to help

And not about someone pulling people down for trying to help

if i only help one person then so be it....

But at least i helped that must count for something

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you may be right and perhaps sometimes having to use the services of a solicitor may be the best course of action...as before i do hope you will continue to help, you now have a unique knowledge in getting this particular nasty dca to back down and i hope you will continue to help out for the sake of other posters who find themselves on the recieving end of these bloodsuckers

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Ok I See Your Point

But I Am Only Offering The Help Toward Go-debt Ycc/d.a.f Agreements

Not Any Other Matter

But Will Not Mention Them Again Unless Asked From Cagger

 

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hi gdk2711

 

Please leave your thread up.

 

You have had a rocky ride with this one but it is a good example of how people in deep difficulties can overcome them and is an important thread that adds to the body of knowledge here.

 

Don't be dismayed if you have been told not to do something. Every organization has it's rules and many on here have been brought up short. that does not mean the rules are bad and it does not mean you have been singled out.

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That I Understand

So why Not Be pleasant and A Little More understanding.

I Understand now About The Solicitor Part

All I Want To Do Is Help

Not As If Im Quoting The Magna Carta

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Ok i will stay and keep thread going...

i will update postgjj and debt4get when all is finalized...

and paperwork is in my hand....................

STILL LOOKING FOR A GOOD PICTURE FRAME THOUGH

 

BUMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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martin3030

Before throwing in a comment he should of checked the thread..

and seen what i have posted and what you and deby4get asked for in order to help fellow caggers..............

but were all human and make mistakes

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