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Hope ok to join the gang on the this one ...

I have a odraft with Nwide for quite a few pennies ... they have now decided that they are cutting the authorised od by half ... and gave me 3 weeks to repay the required balance, which isn't a small amount ..

The od limit has increased steadily by them over the years, never by my signing of anything, but it is only in the last year I have had to use it (long story), my account is over 20 yrs old.

They have reduced it as they say I have exceeded my limit, which was only temporary and wholly down to their charges for bounced ddms .. and then because it took me over my official od limit, then added more fees for exceeding it ..

I have stopped my salary from this month going into this account, as otherwise I would have nothing to pay mge etc, so no doubt they will now want the lot back ... already receiving numerous phone calls a day, starting a 8am and finishing at 9pm ... I don't answer, and they dont leave a msg but I know its their number.

Have read this fab thread, but wondered it I could ask how you guys would play this one .... ? :confused:

 

Hi Abby,

Sounds interesting, have a few ideas for you already, nothing miracle like but good all the same :D.

 

Do you have a seperate thread for this?

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erm this is our overdaraft thread, you sure got the right thread??:)

 

Oops, just re-read the whole thread! Too much going round my head. You have a good thread going on here, looks as if you've got a lot going for you at the moment. Will be watching this to see how you get on :)

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Hi all ....

Having had a good read through this one, is it generally agreed that you can CCA the bank for the od part of your account?

I started my own thread on this as not to hijack, but the couple of responses I have had say that the CCA legislation doesn't cover bank accounts full stop, and I would be best to try and arrange a repayment plan with the bank.

Any thoughts or help?:confused:

Thanks .... Abs xxox

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just reading the OFT guidelines and noticed this

 

2.6 Examples of unfair practices are as follows:

 

c. using more than one debt collection business at the same time

resulting in repetitive and/or frequent contact by different parties

 

is this a clear breach then, DLC are the DCA we have CCA'd and hillesdean securites are the ones who have replied so far?

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You're quite right but getting anyone to act on such complaints is another matter. Seems that such practices are so common that the regulatory bodies just roll over and play ignorant to such complaints. No law for the banks, lot's of laws for the rest of us.

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should we write to hillesden asking why they have replied to a CCA request that wasn't sent to them??

 

It's probably been mentioned before, Faccenda Poultry farmers own both Hilleseden & DLC. They seem to get some what confused as to who they work for as i've got email addresses for the same staff members at all three domains!!

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It's probably been mentioned before, Faccenda Poultry farmers own both Hilleseden & DLC. They seem to get some what confused as to who they work for as i've got email addresses for the same staff members at all three domains!!

 

 

i gathered they were the same firm, thats why i was gonna play dumb and ask why they sent me the letter instead of dlc, if i can get them both dealing with the same thing thats a breach of OFT guidelines i can mention :D

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i gathered they were the same firm, thats why i was gonna play dumb and ask why they sent me the letter instead of dlc, if i can get them both dealing with the same thing thats a breach of OFT guidelines i can mention :D

 

I think Pretending to be different companies when they are clearly the same company is also against OFT guidelines. So complain about it different companies first then complain about them pretending to be different companies when they aren't.

Really they are wrong whatever way you look at it!!!

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hello, there follows an extract of the post #64

 

Section 65 in Part V of the Act provides that an "improperly executed" regulated agreement is unenforceable by the creditor without a court order. It is common ground that a regulated agreement is "improperly executed" for this purpose if the requirements of sections 57 to 63 have not been complied with.

 

to me ' unenforceable without a court action' (extracted from the above) means that even if a written agreeement does not exist the court can still make an order to enforce the od.

 

Please forgive me if i am being thick, but, if the above is correct, why are we bothering the banks with cca's and dn's when we clearly wont be able force the od's into an unenforceabloe poisiton.

 

i hope to be corrected on my view as i have a very large overdraft which is now with RMA, and i need to get it under my control . BAB

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i had a reply from hillesdean today the same as the wife's saying they are contacting barclays for the CCA

 

i thought sod it and phoned them to ask why i was getting mail from hillesdean when i CCA'd DLC, apparently DLC trade as hillesdean or visa versa she seemd confused, but either way i shouldn't have got anything from hillesdean and when i asked why one letter from DLC had hillesdean as the client and that it was against OFT guidelines to use to different names for the same debt she said she couldn't comment and got a bit flustered

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we've had an undated "arrears letter" from DLC on one of the accounts, so i called to ask why are they chasing arrears on an account thats in dispute, she said she could see on the screen that the accounts on hold and that the letters must've crossed, i pointed out that was unlikley as they signed for the dispute letter over a month ago.

 

anyway the only news is that the "loan" account according to them is on hold:-D

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It's probably been mentioned before, Faccenda Poultry farmers own both Hilleseden & DLC. They seem to get some what confused as to who they work for as i've got email addresses for the same staff members at all three domains!!

 

You'll probably receive the standard cut & paste "Pay up or else" threatagrams from DLC and any other bumf that actually addresses your letters from

Hillesden (usually signed A E Locke - Director & Data Controller).

 

When corresponding to these people we address it to: Hillesden Securities T/A DLC. I think they should stick to what they do best; stuffing chickens :-)

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I've just had the same letter from Hillesden.

 

It seems they are trying to confuse people into believing that they can do something.

 

I am going to write to them and inform them of my current situation first (which has changed dramatically) and then point out why this letter means sod all - ie I have made a cca request that they have not complied with and without the said agreement it is unenforceable (which they acknowledge) and therefore they are wasting their time and mine. Their collections team have already heard everything I want to say because I said it at the start and I'm not repeating myself. No agreement is no payment.

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I've just had the same letter from Hillesden.

 

It seems they are trying to confuse people into believing that they can do something.

 

I am going to write to them and inform them of my current situation first (which has changed dramatically) and then point out why this letter means sod all - ie I have made a cca request that they have not complied with and without the said agreement it is unenforceable (which they acknowledge) and therefore they are wasting their time and mine. Their collections team have already heard everything I want to say because I said it at the start and I'm not repeating myself. No agreement is no payment.

 

 

yeah to be honest the mcguffick case was based around a debtor taking on a bank about reporting to credit ref agencies, not really being able to make you pay if there's no paperwork

 

just confusing tactics

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