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If you need to add something to this thread then   Please click the "Report " link   at the bottom of one of the posts.   If you want to post a new story then Please Start your own new thread That way you will attract more attention to your story and get more visitors and more help    Thanks   citizenB Posted March 4, 2014 #1   The questionnaires below provide important information which will allow us to help you. In order to use them, you will have to copy them into your own post and then give us the answers – preferably in red below each question. You can start by overwriting the prompt: "Give answer here" below each question – and your responses should automatically appear in red   Thank you +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++   You have received a claim form.   firstly - read all the posts in this thread FIRST...   then copy this first msg to your thread - and put your answer after each question   In order for us to help you we require the following information:- [if there are more than one defendant listed - tell us]     Which Court have you received the claim from ? Name County Court   MCOL Northampton N1 ? Manual Claim CCMCC (Salford) ? New beta WWW.MONEYCLAIMS.SERVICE.GOV.UK ?   If possible please scan redact and upload a full page copy of page 1 of the claim form. 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There are two different versions - one for Loans/Credit cards the other for Current accounts   Request 1 - Loans/Credit Cards     Request 2 - Current Accounts     You may use a CPR part 18 request for any other information (not request documents) that you might require in order to defend yourself. Please note that CPR 18 is specifically for Fast Track claims and although technically the claim has yet to be allocated to a track the claimant may refuse to comply for this reason.   If you require CPR Part 18 - this will need to be drafted specifically.   If you are not planning on defending for one reason or another – then you will need to complete an Income and Expenditure form and contact the Solicitor with your proposal. The N9a is already enclosed in the claim pack for Admittance which should be sent to the solicitor named on the claim form   If you are considering making a partial admittance N9b must be completed and returned to the court. 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If the claim goes against you, it will be very difficult to make a counter claim as you didn’t respond to the initial small claim.   You may be unaware that you are the defendant in a small claims case that a Creditor has bought against you. When the small claims form arrives follow these initial steps:   1: Read the Form Carefully   The detail about the claim that is being bought against you will be in the ‘particulars of claim’ section. If this section isn't completed, or has the words ‘particulars of claim to follow’ take no action now and wait until you are sent details of the claim against you. You may want to consult a lawyer at this stage.   2: Respond in Time   It’s vitally important that you respond to the claim for you have been sent. Remember that there is a 19 day (5 +14) time limit on this to acknowledge the claim.You must submit before the 19 days are up, so post your response with plenty of time.If your intention is to defend the claim in full you get a further 14 days to submit your response ...so 33 days in total.   3: Talk to the Claimant   Just because a small claim has been bought against you and a claim form issued, this doesn’t mean you are not allowed to contact the claimant directly. In fact the court encourages you to try and settle the claim without the need for a court appearance. So, try and resolve your dispute directly with the claimant if you can.   Not Responding to a Small Claim   If you ignore the small claims form when it arrives this can have an adverse impact on your financial status. The court will continue with the small claims lawsuit that is being bought against you even in your absence as this is a legal requirement. When the small claim is processed you will be sent a bill showing the amount you owe and any additional costs. The small claims against you is a legal process that will be recorded on the Register of Judgements, Orders and Fines. This information is used to check your credit, so could have a negative impact when you next apply for any credit. To avoid damaging your credit rating reply to your small claims docket as soon as you can.   How to Respond to Your Small Claims Form   When you received your form from the court you will also have been sent a response pack. In this pack you will see the option that are open to you. These include:   • A dispute claim form. You can use this form if you do not agree that you are liable for the small claim being bought against you and wish to submit a Defence. • Details about how to pay the amount being claimed from you. • Details about how to admit to part of the small claim against you, and how you can ask the claimant for more time to pay.   There are Two Types of Small Claims:   Fixed Amounts:   If the claim against you is for a fixed amount of money your response pack will contain three forms. Form N9 (acknowledgement of Service), form N9A (admission form) and N9B (defence and counterclaim form).   Unspecified Amounts:   If the amount being claimed is unspecified you will be sent forms N9 and N9C (admission form) and N9D (defence and counterclaim form). It is vital that you read the accompanying explanatory notes before choosing which form to send back.   Paying the Small Claim   If you want to make full payment of the amount being claimed against you this amount will be shown on the claim for you have been sent, and will also have details about where to send the money. Don’t forget, this must be done within the 14 day time limit or your case will proceed to the next stage.   In some instances you would like to pay, but need more time, you can give details about the delay you would like on form N9A, which should be in your response pack. It’s also a good idea to read leaflet EX309: The Defendant Admits by claim as this gives more details on this aspect of your case when fixed amounts of money are involved. Leaflet EX308 gives details of cases when unspecified amounts are being claimed against you.   Also please read forms EX326 and EX160A   How to Defend a Claim Against You   Disputed claims are handled by filling in the appropriate form from your response pack. You have three choices: Form N9, N9B or N9D. Read the note accompanying each form carefully to ensure you completely correctly. Pay special attention to the allegations raised on the form. If you don’t respond to each the court will assume you are admitting guilt. Edited April 10, 2014 by stu007 Updated PDF added    1   Bookmark   Report 2 months later...   citizenB   Posted June 5, 2014 #3   PLEASE NOTE - WARNING   Once you have received your claim form - the Court timetable comes into force. Not that of the creditor or claimant. If you have requested information with them after the claim has been issued - or have entered into discussion with them and they say something like "We will put this on hold for a period of time". 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Hi I have similar issues, just started my complaint.

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/welcome-finance/267167-welcome-secured-but-no.html#post3028213

 

Who cares about the figures, your question should be is a reconstituted cca agreement acceptable to a court.

 

I have not seen anyone on this forum win a case with welcome for a secured loan having no cca. I would think welcome will sit on your loan until you need to sell, then hammer you to release the charge with a massive bill.

 

Also I have heard Citi group might be buying welcome, so maybe you can do a deal then.

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i too am still looking for a success story, but the info and help you'll get on here is fantastic...

 

maybe there are no success stories with welcome as of yet cause they don;t bloody reply to anyone!!!!!!!!!!!

 

I need to know the figures as i already think one of them is wrong and lets face it, it's all ammunition for me, the more mistakes i can find, the better...

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Seems a reconstituted cca is okay and its all a matter of luck.

 

 

What gives this guy the right to make it up as he goes along:-x

Its seems the law is not the law.(for some anyway)

 

 

 

 

 

Banks have won a partial victory against some credit card customers who have been trying to avoid their debts.

A judge at the High Court in Manchester has upheld that card companies need only provide a "reconstituted" copy of the original loan agreement.

It confirms that banks can still enforce debts even if the original agreement has been lost or destroyed.

The ruling may affect thousands of potential cases gathered by claims management companies.

"It seems to me to be likely that the number of challenges... will diminish significantly hereafter," said Judge David Waksman.

Banks sometimes have great difficulty in providing an exact copy of an original credit card agreement, such as a photocopied or scanned version, and at least one major bank is thought to have destroyed all its old credit card agreements.

Reconstitution

Under the Consumer Credit Act (CCA), lenders are obliged to supply a copy of their credit card or loan agreement to a borrower, if asked to do so, within 12 days.

o.gifstart_quote_rb.gif The absence of a copy of a signed executed agreement is no evidence that such an agreement was not made end_quote_rb.gif

 

 

Judge Waksman

 

Some claims management companies and their solicitors have been trying to use the law to stop debts being enforced, possibly permanently, if the copy cannot be produced satisfactorily.

This has led to disputes between lenders and customers about what sort of copy is acceptable under the law.

Judge Waksman examined six test cases to decide this.

He said that the purpose of obliging lenders to provide a copy of the loan agreement, when asked, was not to prove that the agreement had been properly struck in the first place, but to provide the borrowers with information about the state of their account.

"The debtor has a legitimate interest in seeing a copy of the agreement he signed, not in the sense of proof of execution but as information," he said.

As such, he ruled that a reconstituted version of the agreement was perfectly acceptable.

The information in it could be drawn from other data held by the bank about their customers, and it could be recreated by drawing on the standard terms and conditions that the bank applied at the time.

Also, it was not necessary for the bank to examine the original signed agreement to do this, or even still to have it.

"A creditor can satisfy its duty... by providing a reconstituted version of the executed agreement which may be from sources other than the actual signed agreement itself," he said.

"The fact that the creditor no longer has the original executed agreement is not therefore, itself a bar to compliance [with the Act]," he added.

'Honest and accurate'

Judge Waksman did point out that the banks could not simply invent the loan agreement retrospectively to comply with the law.

"It must - of necessity - be based upon records held as to the debtor and the agreement he made," the judge said.

"That a creditor needs to take care when providing the copy is highlighted by the fact that it is implicit in its duty that it is an 'honest and accurate' copy," he added.

Judge Waksman rejected some arguments put forward by the banks, and supported some of those put forward of the claims management firms and their clients.

He ruled that:

• a copy of the loan agreement must contain the name and address of the borrower as it was at the time it was signed

• if an agreement has been subsequently varied by the lender, then the lender is obliged to supply a copy of both the original agreement as well as the current one.

Judge Waksman's rulings were welcomed by one of the biggest claims management companies, Cartel Client Review, which was involved in the Manchester hearings.

It said that the clarification of the law would "open the floodgates" to many more cases being put forward in 2010.

"Our experience shows that many banks and credit card companies have failed to instigate systems and procedures that allow them to comply with the requirements of the CCA and it is also clear that many agreements did not comply with the prescribed terms of the CCA, when the agreements were originally drafted," said Andrew Settle of Cartel's solicitors CCLS.

Fishing expeditions

Judge Waksman also ruled that failure to supply a copy did not, of itself, mean there was an unfair relationship between the lender and borrower under the CCA.

But he confirmed that if a lender could not supply a copy of the loan agreement, then this automatically prevented them from using the courts to chase a debt until such time as they could come up with a copy.

The judge went on to criticise some attempts by credit card customers to avoid repaying their debts by challenging their lender to produce a valid copy of their original loan agreement.

"Many claims now made under [the Act] may properly be regarded as unattractive and merely fishing for a case of unenforceability," he warned.

He went on to strike out claims from two individuals, pointing out that they had failed to supply any evidence at all that they had never signed their loan agreements in the first place.

"The absence of a copy of a signed executed agreement is no evidence that such an agreement was not made," ruled Judge Waksman.

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although what do you think about this bit

 

"But he confirmed that if a lender could not supply a copy of the loan agreement, then this automatically prevented them from using the courts to chase a debt until such time as they could come up with a copy."

 

does this mean no cca no court???bit confused now

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still very interesting, some of the quotes here will help in my letter to welcome, i.e. copy MUST have the correct name/address as it had at the time, also MUST be an honest copy (i have two different ones)...

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i'm not trying to wriggle out of my debt as i truly believe i have paid them, they have had their £5000 back plus £3000 on top and all the stress they have put me through etc.. with their bullying tactics, i would say they should call it a day now, NOT say i still owe £14000 for christs sake!!!!

 

and they can't supply me with an HONEST copy so these are all factors for my account to be in dispute...

 

If someone could please please please take a look at my figures and just say if they are correct or not that would be great

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I can see that in some cases (only some so dont jump on me lol) people have jumped on the bandwagon spent £1 and then put into dispute without having any reason or understanding than yay I dont have to pay and its the cases like that that make us more honest and disgruntled customers be put in the same boat. The majority of people just want to be treated fairly not avoid what they have borrowed.

 

What those type of people dont realise is with companies such as welcome 'account in dispue' actually means nothing as they dont subscribe to the banking code and therefore dont have to abide by its regulations and therefore stopping payment simply from not receiving a copy of an agreement and such like is just making trouble for themselves as they will still incur charges and they will still be chased albeit not through the courts until an agreement appears but still by the creditor and any debt companies it is passed too.

I am a consumer just like you, please get a second opinion or investigate yourself on anything I advise as I am in no way legally trained. Everything I know has come from the Mighty CAG and fellow CAGGERS. :cool:

 

If I have helped in any way please click my reputation star and make a donation to CAG to enable us all to continue to help each other :cool:

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i totally agree beyond...

 

are you any good with the APR % figures by any chance???

 

i have put the figures for all 4 loans on post 83 of this thread and just wondered if they look right, i think loan number 1 is out by £300 approx and just need this clarifying, could also do with the others checking aswell, i'm no good with that stuff....

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i totally agree beyond...

 

are you any good with the APR % figures by any chance???

 

i have put the figures for all 4 loans on post 83 of this thread and just wondered if they look right, i think loan number 1 is out by £300 approx and just need this clarifying, could also do with the others checking aswell, i'm no good with that stuff....

 

Sorry Dan im absolute rubbish with numbers give me words any day LOL I did have a calculator saved though let me see if i still have it....

 

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Hope that helps abit :)

I am a consumer just like you, please get a second opinion or investigate yourself on anything I advise as I am in no way legally trained. Everything I know has come from the Mighty CAG and fellow CAGGERS. :cool:

 

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thanks for that, i'll have a go later :D

 

no worries :)

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sorry to jump on your thread but how can they reconstruct an agreement from other data?they may have standard t/cs but like welcome they will have different fees interest rates an so on for different clients,so what if the reconstructed one is nothing like the copy that you where giving at the point of sale and you still have?

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they should be able to reconstruct it from your contractual monthly payment, it's a bit complicated but if they look at your so called payments and term of loan as at today's date, they should be able to work it back to what the figures would have been when you apparently signed...

 

i'm concerned because they have given me two different reconstituted copies.... like i've said above only pennies out from each other, but the main thing being one has no name on yet the other has the wrong name on, so this is clearly or should i say THESE are clearly not true and honest copies!!!!!!!!!

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Hi Dan this is how to work out APR as far as I know, maybe somebody will correct me but here goes, lets use your first loan as an example

take the full amount of loan £4939.37 over 3 years with monthly payments of £193.79

 

multiply monthly payments by number of months over life of loan

 

£193.79 x 36 = £6976.44

 

divide total by original amount of loan

 

£6976.44 divide by £4939.37 = 1.41

 

Move decimal point 2 places to right to convert to a percentage = 141%

 

Divide the percentage by number of years

 

141 divide by 3 = APR 47%

 

Hope this helps

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i think i'm gonna have one last go with FOS tomoro, perhaps maybe ask for a new case officer???

she said originally that i need to prove welcome have affected my financial position as it is today, i've done a lengthy letter breaking down my orginal loan of £3000 and £2000 (total £5000) without PPI, insurances and unlawful charges.I have predicted that without these added, i would only have ever owed welcome £8300 approx, which is what they have more or less had from me.

 

loan 3 and 4 were simply rewrites (no cash ever received), basically they are just a total of interest upon interest upon and interest, oh and a few charges for missed payment etc....

 

i am not trying to dodge my loan, as i feel i have paid it and am no way paying another £14000!!!!!!! they have had there money back plus interest fair and square...

 

i will be however be referring to the judge waksman ruling re: unenforceability as i feel i have a good case there.... he clearly states it is imperitive that the creditor provides all correct material (correct names, addresses at time of signing) on resconstitued loan agreements, and the two i have are totally wrong with wrong name on, HOW DUMB OF WELCOME!!!!!

 

i'll ring fos tomoro and let you know how i get on, feel tonnes better now i've sort of got my head around it and will hopefully sleep a bit better tonight

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Well done Dan, you have obviously put a lot of effort into fighting this shower

and it is very clear you are not just dodging your financial obligations. Like many on this site you just want to be treated fairly. I don't want to dampen your spirits but sometimes the FOS are like toothless tigers and your only course maybe the courts. If all else fails let Welcome take you to court then you can hit them with everything you have got - Good Luck with this!

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thanks guys, i'm at the stage where i feel like giving up, i think all i'm asking for here is some positivity really to keep me going, i'd love to let welcome take me to court, but will that ever happen???

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thanks guys, i'm at the stage where i feel like giving up, i think all i'm asking for here is some positivity really to keep me going, i'd love to let welcome take me to court, but will that ever happen???

Never give up mate, you will find all the positivity you need here on cag. If we all support each other we can win!! Chin up!!! :D

 

Your figures are a nightmare lol!!

 

In total how much cash have you actually had from them and how long ago was this??

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I'm really confused about your 4 loans!! :confused: What was the purpose of each re-write? It seems that with each rewrite the interest and monthly payments went up!! I just don't get how this can happen if you didn't receive any more money :confused:

 

I think you should have a good read of the UTCCR and section 140 of the Consumer Credit Act amendments 2006 :)

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