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The judge has said we must have a preliminary hearing to discuss the strike out. It will be listed tomorrow, so it'll be sometime next week I would think.

 

I assume as I paid they have to have the hearing, and can't just dismiss my application for a strike out?

 

Any ideas about whether I should still look for a barrister bearing in mind time is getting very short if the hearing is on the 17th? Could I ask for more time and ask for it to be re-scheduled to give me more time to instruct a barrister. I have already told the court in my letters that I wanted to counterclaim but couldn't afford to do so, but can raise the money now.

 

Any ideas about what I will be able to say.

 

Will I be restricted to the facts I have put forward about her conduct, non-compliance with Directions, etc., which is why I asked for the strike out, or will I also be able to bring in the other stuff as well.

 

Confused.

 

Any help would be appreciated.

 

DDxx

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Sorry DD, can't help there I'm afraid.

 

Looking at it with a positive spin though, if she has to turn up and explain away even a little of the inaccuracies between what she said and what you can prove, I can't see this going further...

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Hi girls,

 

What I actually think will happen is that her solicitor will represent her at the preliminary hearing and argue that it shouldn't be struck out. I don't think they'd get the barrister in for a prelim, do you? I think she would be thinking that her barrister would be shredding me, but if she turns up without him obviously I have a lot of questions for her. Obviously if she turns up with her solicitor he'll be protecting her, but I can still put the questions which she will hate.

 

She told lies about the business in her AQ statement but since she got the solicitor she's not repeating them in her WS and they are refusing to provide the info I have asked for under CPR which will prove what she said isn't true. Otherwise why won't she supply them? I think this shows that I should be allowed to include the business in my defence?

 

The main lies as far as I am concerned are about my input to the business. To start with (AQ) it was all her idea and I had no input to setting it up. Big lie - I have all the emails confirming what I did.

 

Then, her WS - now no actual denial of any specific thing I said about what I did - just the statement that my version is partisan.

 

Her WS saying I am deliberately obfuscating the matter by maligning her in an attempt to get out of paying the money I owe her. Surely I have an argument here in that she is denying that she owes me for the work I have done?

 

THAT email she sent from America saying she told her stepbrother about "our" new business. Surely this demonstrates that she was misrepresenting the situation to me?

 

Now, I haven't supplied them with THAT email yet. Should I send a letter to her solicitor after they get notice of the prelim saying that I want to add to Standard Disclosure:

 

a copy of the website she is still using for her renamed business which is exactly the same as I designed for the brochure,

 

pages downloaded from Companies House showing that I was a Director but not a shareholder as she had told me, and also showing that she removed me and then re-named the company

 

and ........

 

copies of emails between her and myself concerning the business and correspondence with web designers, potential clients, etc. If they don't ask to see them I can get in the one from America without warning them about what she is admitting.

 

I think they haven't asked for the workbooks, etc., because by not doing so they aren't acknowledging the relevance of the business. If they don't ask for this lot (and I say it's to prove what I did) then I can show that at the prelim. What do you think? I don't want that email disallowed.

 

DDxx

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Hey DD don't panic. All you need to concentrate on is the reasons for the strike out, so just concentrate on those issues. It would be a very good idea to take all the information to court with you just in case you need to refer to anything (it's always the one thing you don't take that's the one thing you need, lol).

 

Personally I think that you are in a good position to deal with the strike out yourself, but it's up to you if you want to get representation.

 

Don't forget to ask for wasted costs too.;)

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From my totally ignorant position, try not to panic (much much easier to say than do) and start to get all your paperwork organised, then list your strongest arguments and get the evidence to support so that you are ready to go.

I believe there are always free solicitors at court, if so you could get there early and get someone to go in with you.

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Hi Caro and cymruambyth.

 

I think I'll probably do the strike out on my own.

 

Apart from the obvious disregard for Directions from her and her solicitor all the way through I want to emphasise to the judge that they are trying to say all my work doesn't come into it. At the very least if it doesn't get struck out I hope the judge will insist they provide the papers I have asked for. If the judge doesn't do that, I will want to do a counterclaim.

 

Do you think the fact that she has paid the £600 in court fees will mean the judge has to give her more leeway?

 

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Do you think the fact that she has paid the £600 in court fees will mean the judge has to give her more leeway?

 

DD

 

Absolutely not.

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Hi,

 

I've just got a letter by email from her solicitor attaching her Witness Statement saying she apologizes for the oversight and repeating what he said about there being no point in mediation and saying that I had "not demonstrated a willingness to mediate" which is utter garbage and I wrote to the court about his conversation with me at the time.

 

She now says she was relieved to read the suggestion about ADR and would have been willing to resolve the issue without the stress and expense of a court case, but she didn't think it would be effective because of my personal attacks on her (the truth!!!!) and her solicitor told her it would be a winner takes all situation .

 

That's not what she said at the time.

 

She's dated it Monday, 30th, i.e. before they would have had notice of the strike out, but of course it was only emailed to me this afternoon. They are saying that I won't have been prejudiced in any meaningful way by the relatively short slippage in the timetable for serving the witness statement.

 

That's obviously going to be their reasons for opposing a strike out.

 

Yes, and she was three to four weeks late on everything else too.

 

There is no mention of Monday. He's on DX so they must know about it.

 

Any thoughts?

 

DD

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Hi,

 

I've just got a letter by email from her solicitor attaching her Witness Statement saying she apologizes for the oversight and repeating what he said about there being no point in mediation and saying that I had "not demonstrated a willingness to mediate" which is utter garbage and I wrote to the court about his conversation with me at the time.

 

She now says she was relieved to read the suggestion about ADR and would have been willing to resolve the issue without the stress and expense of a court case, but she didn't think it would be effective because of my personal attacks on her (the truth!!!!) and her solicitor told her it would be a winner takes all situation .

 

That's not what she said at the time.

 

She's dated it Monday, 30th, i.e. before they would have had notice of the strike out, but of course it was only emailed to me this afternoon. They are saying that I won't have been prejudiced in any meaningful way by the relatively short slippage in the timetable for serving the witness statement.

 

That's obviously going to be their reasons for opposing a strike out.

 

Yes, and she was three to four weeks late on everything else too.

 

There is no mention of Monday. He's on DX so they must know about it.

 

Any thoughts?

 

DD

 

IMVHO they know about it, hence the letter. In order to be seen to be reasonable in the eyes of the court/judge they have to listen to all offers and if the court suggests mediation then they have to consider it.. they didnt and now obviously they wish to be seen as reasonable or more to the point covering their arses if the judge asks them why they didnt consider it.

 

Ensure you take details of when the email was sent to you.

 

It wasnt the w/s you were seeking strikeout on was it? It was other info I seem to recall?

 

S.

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Can you take a copy of the header of the email so that the discrepency between the date she wrote and the date it was sent is shown? There is no excuse for taking 2 days to hit the send button on an email.

 

Do you have proof that you tried to get them to agree to mediation anywhere? Any emails, letters, recorded calls, anything that either directly says you want it or implies that you did?

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Hi,

 

Sorry I've not been on since yesterday

 

I am seeking the strike out on the basis that they haven't complied with any directions including the one about disclosing documents I asked for from their list, and also under CPR for the accounts and bank statements.

 

The WS came as an attachment from her solicitor who sent it yesterday. I've taken a copy of the header.

 

I've got a copy of the letter I sent to the Court about him trying to get me to admit that mediation would be a waste of time, and I said I wanted mediation. The reasons she gives in the Witness Statement for not going for mediation are totally different to the reasons she gave in her original info statement with the AQ - of course they are, she's now got a solicitor!

 

Anyway, she's said in the WS that it was late because of oversight and pressure of work at her solicitors, so what about all the other times they were late? Surely they can't say that for everything?

 

Directions were

 

SD due to be serve on Friday, 28th August - signed by her on 21st September, and posted to me on 28th September.

 

Inspection of documents from SD by 4th September. Obviously totally impossible for me to do this.

 

Wrote to him on 5th October asking for documents from SD and repeated again my request under CPR sent on 1st October.

 

He replies on 13th October. He says they have sent a copy of my letter of 1st October to her and "in the event that we are instructed to reply we will write again. Completely ignored my letter of 5th October, probably because I asked specific questions about money I thought she had received, and again pointed out that they can't refuse to supply documents just because they adversely affect the case.

 

No documents ever received, and obviously no response to the points I made in my letter.

 

He also says in that letter that she's got a draft witness statement and they anticipate that they'll be able to serve it shortly.

 

It was due on 25th September, but only signed by her on 19th October and sent to me on 22nd October.

 

Pre-trial checklists were due to be filed by 16th October and she had to pay the court and listing fee by 16th October. When she didn't I applied for a strike out by the court (without paying a fee) and they gave her another fortnight to comply which she did.

 

She states on the pre-trial checklist that she has complied with Directions which she hasn't.

 

Finally, she missed the deadline for the WS on why she didn't do ADR which was due on 19th October. I was supposed to be given 14 days to reply, but that was sent at 13.57 by email yesterday, and only received in the post this morning, so there is no way I can be given 14 days for my reply bearing in mind the case is listed for 10.30 a.m. on 17th.

 

What do you think? Can any judge just ignore this complete arrogance and contempt towards the court and me on their part?

 

Then this afternoon he has sent another email saying they only found out about the hearing on Monday today and they haven't been given three days and haven't seen the evidence and I should say I want an adjournment or if they have to attend they'll seek a costs order against me. I phoned the court and told them about it, and they said it was served on the 1st (and I got mine on the 2nd) and they have had adequate time. I have no intention of asking for an adjournment, but I have sent him the evidence as otherwise they'll be able to say they haven't had time to see it.

 

What a bloody cheek!

 

He's also saying I didn't mention the hearing when I sent him a list of further documents I will be relying on under SD. I've told him that it would have been sarcastic and untrue of me to say, "I look forward to meeting you at the Hearing on Monday," and that unlike him and his client I have followed directions and was complying with the rules about updating the SD list.

 

I told the court he was threatening me with a costs order and they said he can say what he wants and they think he is trying to frighten me, and I agree with them.

 

DD

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hiya DD

 

just had a moment to see for any updates

 

i think you are doing really fab, i think its a cloud they are trying to take you off track, i think you need to view your case as you feel its going and see what the legal caggers say to you tonight and over the weekend

 

but certainly i think they have far more to worry about then you with explanations to the judge;)

 

keep positive and see what the later post replies brings

 

will try and look in a bit later take care for now angel x:)

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only the Judge can decide costs.

 

 

Its always a tactic used to say they will seek costs against you if you dont do what they request. The fact the court has stated it was deemed served on the 1st is key. They have actually had more time than you to prepare.... its not for you to forwarn them of the courts directions, thats the courts job.

 

Costs can be awarded against you if you have been unreasonable also but I dont see that in this case... the complete opposite to be honest. Just ensure you have written down a crib sheet to take with you on monday with all the key dates and whats happened on those dates... doesnt have to be comprehensive but you need a timeline of everything they have failed to do on time to remind yourself and counter any suggestions they give of dates being incorrect.

 

S.

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Oh and two can play at that game... dont forget to fax your costs 24hrs prior to hearing to the court and the claimant.

 

Lip rate is £9.25 per hour worked on JUST the strike out application at present. Plus any other costs involved with this application.

 

S.

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