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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
    • Thanks for all the suggestions so far I will amend original WS and send again for review.  While looking at my post at very beginning when I submitted photos of signs around the car park I noticed that it says 5 hours maximum stay while the signage sent by solicitor shows 4 hours maximum stay but mine is related to electric bay abuse not sure if this can be of any use in WS.
    • Not sure what to make of that or what it means for me, I was just about to head to my kip and it's a bit too late for legalise. When is the "expenditure occured"?  When they start spending money to write to me?  Or is this a bad thing (as "harsh" would imply)? When all is said and done, I do not have two beans to rub together, we rent our home and EVERYTHING of value has been purchased by and is in my wife's name and we are not financially linked in any way.  So at least if I can't escape my fate I can at least know that they will get sweet FA from me anyway   edit:  ah.. Sophia Harrison: Time bar decision tough on claimants WWW.SCOTTISHLEGAL.COM Time bar is a very complex area of law in Scotland relating to the period in which a claim for breach of duty can be pursued. The Scottish government...   This explains it like I am 5.  So, a good thing then because creditors clearly know they have suffered a loss the minute I stop paying them, this is why it is "harsh" (for them, not me)? Am I understanding this correctly?  
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"They also stated that all they need is confirmation I lived at an address years ago and something stating I owe money and that that would be enough for a civil action based on the 'balance of probabilities'!!"

 

Based on that load of old bull invite them, no indeed encourage them, to take that to a court and put it to a judge! The judge would take a very dim view of their methods.

 

If you could get a word in egdeways between the guffaws of laughter from his honour and the angst expressed by Mac Hall's brief you could ask for costs and damages!

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Advise MH to take you to court because based on the balance of probabilities they are talking out of their arses as usual. Report them to East Ayshire TS.

I'd say that based on the posts here, any legal action instigated by MH could be viewed as vexatious.

 

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I have just got a letter from this "Company" out of the blue asking for me to contact them on a personal matter. i have no idea what this is about shoudl i just ignore it or return the letter to them them saying not known at this address?.

 

I have never had a credit check if i apply for one can outside companies track me down from this ot are credit checks completely ebtween me and the credit check company.

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Thanks for your advice they sound like absolute ****, should i juist ignore or return saying not at this address?.

 

Can outside companies get your information if you apply for a credit check?, i have never had one but i'm a bit worried that these slimeballs might get more information about me if i do.

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So is it basically a case that they are trying it on and haven’t got a leg to stand on as these dates are over 6 years so they are trying to bully people and play on their fears to admit their debt or make a payment?.

 

Usually.

All help is merely my opinion only - please seek legal advice if you need to as I am only qualified in SEN law.

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So is it basically a case that they are trying it on and haven’t got a leg to stand on as these dates are over 6 years so they are trying to bully people and play on their fears to admit their debt or make a payment?.

If the debt is over 6 yrs old (5 in Scotland) it doesnt matter whether you admit it or not. Its STATUTE BARRED and CANNOT be enforced.

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Thanks for your advice they sound like absolute ****, should i juist ignore or return saying not at this address?.

 

Can outside companies get your information if you apply for a credit check?, i have never had one but i'm a bit worried that these slimeballs might get more information about me if i do.

 

It will show on your credit file that you have applied for your files - that's all. It only shows to companies who you apply to credit for for lending criteria and I had one listed from a tracing firm who had applied for my info in relation to an identity fraud [problem] on me. Applying for your credit files will not do you any harm wha so ever and alert nobody to anything. I'd suggest you do it to all three agengies Equifax, Call Credit and Experian . It only costs £2 and you can see what has been registered. You can do it free on line to the agencies for a 1 month trial, but you'll have to remember to cancel after the one month otherwise you'll be getting them monthly and being charged.

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As has been discussed at length on a number of threads strange things happen when you apply for your credit report. Many Caggers have received debt claims from some of the bottom feeders of DCAs (arent they all????) regarding old debts which may or may not belong to you. They also have received unsolicited application forms for loans.

 

Be wary of applying for your Credit Reference report

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As has been discussed at length on a number of threads strange things happen when you apply for your credit report. Many Caggers have received debt claims from some of the bottom feeders of DCAs (arent they all????) regarding old debts which may or may not belong to you. They also have received unsolicited application forms for loans.

 

Be wary of applying for your Credit Reference report

 

 

Geez's I never knew that, slime balls. How can they get access to your credit file without you applying for credit? I think, as someone else suggested an Application for a Subject Access Report on the CRA's might be in order. One person got over 2000 sheets of paper, but that just shows you what they hold on you but will also tell you what has been given out. Buggers!

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well add me to the 'informed' trading standards about mac hall.

16th july.cca request +fee

..............................nothing

late aug. recieved call from meritforce.......basic, no to answering data q's. in writing only.................no letter from either.

so, just emailled their local trading standards

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and can i just add, i started paying monthly for credit file online in june...........since then, i have got hundreds of loans leaflets etc, so i agree that accessing your credit file can trigger something.

i too, (soon) will be sending S.A.R. to all 3 cra's, not money a can afford, but it will give me plenty of reading, and to find out who has been checking my data without my permission.

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i dont think they have 'passed' it on, i think mac hall know they have no right to collect this,(no credit agreement' i know that ) but they havent acknowledged nothing, only contact was call from meritforce late late month.

let trading standards deal with it now. all i want is for a letter from mac hall stating no credit agreement,thats it, but they burying heads in the sand hoping i wont do anything, then either start asking for money again, or 'pass' it on, but we all know........THEY CAN'T.lol

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File it for the moment in case they come back to you later - i wouldn't advise putting "not known at this address" as they can check.

All help is merely my opinion only - please seek legal advice if you need to as I am only qualified in SEN law.

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