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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
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Following an extensive investigation by the Office of Fair Trading, the OFT have now issued a 'Minded to Revoke' notice to Log Book Loans Limited and Nine Regions Limited, both of SW15 2NN.

These companies can now make representations to the OFT and there is an

appeal process, so it may be some months before we hear the final outcome.

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My local trading standards office has been in touch with Wandsworth trading standards (local office to LBL), who are in comms with the OFT, who state that this process should be concluded within a couple of months.

 

Looking at the OFT Website I see the following history -

 

17 March 2009 - Event number 6 - Revocation - Status Unknown

23 April 2009 - Event number 7 - Notification - Status Complete 27 April 2009

 

I don't understand these event numbers, though it's evident that the process is well underway.

 

I've sent letters in regards to my contract with them re: unenforceable bos - recorded delivery, also Wandsworth trading standards have tried numerous times to make contact and discuss my 'case', though all attempts unsuccessful, and not 1 response received from the letters sent, which the 1st was sent over a month ago.

Upon phoning for an update, I'm told there are no notes on my account, and that all 'complaints' are dealt with by a Chris De-Bie, whom is never available.

 

I suffer from mental health issues and am undergoing psychiatric evaluation at the moment, hence due to my health issues, my time is extremely limited in trying to deal with these people.

 

Perhaps someone here is able to explain the process the OFT are taking, stage by stage in laymans terms, if so it would be most helpful.

 

Best Regards

 

 

Edit - Apologies, just read properly and event number 7 is in relation to lbl advising the oft of an additional officer in the name of Matthew Heap - wonder what he's been brought in for?

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Hi all

 

This is first time on CAG. Just reading this thread regarding LBL my BOS has a couple of errors. Im currrently waiting to go to court with LBL regarding an old loan from Feb 2009 which they are trying to say I never paid - I paid a bailiff of theirs £1800 cash, have a court date on 25th October. As the OFT might be revoking their licence, what should I do, can this help my case?? Please help.

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Hi all

 

This is first time on CAG. Just reading this thread regarding LBL my BOS has a couple of errors. Im currrently waiting to go to court with LBL regarding an old loan from Feb 2009 which they are trying to say I never paid - I paid a bailiff of theirs £1800 cash, have a court date on 25th October. As the OFT might be revoking their licence, what should I do, can this help my case?? Please help.

 

 

HI Tia_glam.

 

who has the car ... you or them ??? .......2009 lbl made alot of eras in paperwork. all the paperwork you have please sit and read everything. this is what you should look for.

 

cumpany reg numbers at the bottom of each and every letter you have (they must all be the same) but i think you will find all money letters will be logbook loans ltd and repo letters will be nine regions ltd .......... let us know what you find. but please remember to leave time before your court case for you to send them your findings or you cant use it in court.

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I dont have the car at all now. In July 2009 I had an RTA, the car was a write off. I kept it in storage until December 09 then it was sold as the claim was ongoing and this is when LBL contacted me and claimed that I still owed them. Between July and December 2009 they did not contact me at all. Im assuming as the logbook wouldve still been in my name until that time it mustve flagged up when it sold?

 

I will pull up all my letters that I can find and check all of these. They reckon the bailiff I paid had nothing to with their firm, now they want to take me to court for aloan of £1000 and are claiming nearly £4000! My argument is how did this bailiff have my contact no. LBL account no. and car reg and address???!!! Will go through my paperwork tonight and tomorrow, hopefully I can find more errors.......

 

many thanx :-)

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It was in storage and was costing by the week. I discussed this with my solicitor (who was dealing with the insurance claim) and confirmed it would not be a problem to sell the vehicle as long as the engineer and finished his investigations and completed his reports , which had been done months before. I advertised it and sold it privately to a guy who wanted to fix it up for his girlfriend. Since the sale they have not contacted me with regard the previous LBL loan etc.

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You may find that the Baliff was an AGENT working for LBL, LBL don't know there ars*s from there elbows, did the AGENT have a removal truck? It could be that the payment you had was too tempting for someone.

***where are you based?, as LBL use different AGENTS depending on where you are located***

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My flat is based on the 3rd floor so when I came down to meet him he was standing outside. There was a man lurking in van at the bottom of the drive but couldnt see him clearly - Ive heard they usually turn up in a van with a tow truck parked nearby so they can make a quick getaway with your vehicle??!! My car was registered at my property in North London - Islington......

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was it taken from the road or your drive? so islington that would be Templar or Anglia... I would chase the agent, you could call both be coy with it, see if they can bang up your reg on the car....if they do bingo SAR them, you could ask who the agent who recovered the car....

 

 

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Hi ya

 

We spoke sometime ago and my court case is on Monday 25th OCotber re: LBL. I didnt manage to find any more errors regarding my paperwork. I did wonder though if anyone out there has been to court with or taken LBL to court and actually been successful and if so how, I could really use something concrete to put forward, as it stands its my word against theirs and the only witness I have who saw me pay the bailiff is my neighbour!! They are now claiming £4000 plus £800 court costs and the loan was for £1000! Im at my wits end right now and the stress is killing me. Please feel free to PM me.

 

If anyone has any other info I would really appreciate it...............

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What a surprise!!! Nine Regions should have their license REVOKED.TWO AGGRESSIVE BAlLIFFS turned up at 5am on a SUNDAY morning and tried to clamp my DISABILITY CARRIAGE .(they are supposed to follow strict CSA guidelines and only trade between 8am and 9pm,and NEVER on a SUNDAY or BANK HOLIDAY.I am severely Disabled and had to get a COUNTY COURT ORDER to get my D.C back.When it was returned(they drove it away on a disabled tax disc which is illegal,only DISABLED PERSON or CARER RUNNING an ERRAND can legally drive D.C.) my D.C.was in filthy condition,with flat battery,and NOT STARTING even with Battery fully charged by mobile mechanic.There was approximately £20 of fuel in when taken but totally EMPTY when returned.Obviously you NEVER run a DIESEL car even low on fuel,let alone EMPTY! My mobile mechanic said there was a fault with fuel pump (showing on computer DIAGNOSTICS) There were also reports of electrical faults.Also when returning my D.C.the Agent of Nine Regions unloaded it so fast and brutally, my paintwork was scratched under front bumper.He then refused to sign Official Paperwork for Court and tried to drive off with my key.I had him blocked in with my mother in laws car and had to phone Police.NINE REGIONS are the MOST DODGIEST COMPANY I HAVE EVER COME ACROSS apart from MERCEDES BENZ(GREENOAKS of READING.) They allowed my D.C to be treated appaulingly and after M.O.T. AND a B SERVICE,it came out of their Garage with NO RIGHT-HAND indicator working,a Cracked Alloy,Left Suspension Spring not torqued tight enough so popped out!,Failure to do courtesy valet,(car full of dirt and grease and tool marks on interior.Work was not carried out that was asked for and visa versa,which could have caused all 6 airbags to go off(imagine that at 70 miles per hour!)The vehicle was released from MOT in such a dangerous state it could have killed me and other Road users/pedestrians.I am in process of Court Proceedings with Greenoaks of Reading Berkshire,as I gave them a chance to put things right and they did not put all right,infact made things a lot worse in some cases.Also on test drive an allegation by myself of sexual assault by employee.Case still ongoing.If anyone can give me any advise,help,information or support regarding any of these two matters it would be much appreciated.These TWO COMPANIES MUST BE SHOWN UP before they hurt anyone else.Thanks,[email protected]

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