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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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3) A copy of the maintenance and repair manual of the old car park barrier which was replaced between 03/04/2006 and 21/03/2006 in the rear car park.

3) We do not hold these records (over 3 years old) - the company which replaced thedamaged barrier is not now employed by the College and after checking with them theydo not have these records either.

The full provisions of the Freedom of Information Act came into force on 1 January 2005.

 

Not keeping that information would be a booboo in its own right. A letter to the ICO may be in order, and it may be worth noting this as evidence of dissembling.

 

 

5) The rules governing access to car parks on campus, including the full audit trail of changes to these rules since 1.1.06 . This information to include method of access, who was/is allowed access and opening and closing times of the car parks.
5) College car parks (parking) have always been accessed by Staff ONLY - studentshave never been allowed access. The barriers were/are opened/accessed by staffcards, so no student would be able to gain access unless they closely followed astaff member/vehicle through the barrier.
Brian will, of course, be able to provide documentary evidence of this. And evidence of the process used to validate staff cards, read the staff cards, appply for staff cards, renew the staff cards. And how the staff cards were read, what logging procedures were in place, what policy there was surrounding the infrastructure and software needed for such a system.
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Brian will, of course, be able to provide documentary evidence of this. And evidence of the process used to validate staff cards, read the staff cards, appply for staff cards, renew the staff cards. And how the staff cards were read, what logging procedures were in place, what policy there was surrounding the infrastructure and software needed for such a system.

 

 

I'm sure I've just heard a loud choking sound coming from the South West.:grin::grin:

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Brian will, of course, be able to provide documentary evidence of this. And evidence of the process used to validate staff cards, read the staff cards, appply for staff cards, renew the staff cards. And how the staff cards were read, what logging procedures were in place, what policy there was surrounding the infrastructure and software needed for such a system.

Yes you're quite right, he will and as a good public servant I'm sure he'll be only to happy to comply when asked.

The full provisions of the Freedom of Information Act came into force on 1 January 2005.

 

Not keeping that information would be a booboo in its own right. A letter to the Information Commissioners Office may be in order, and it may be worth noting this as evidence of dissembling.

Another useful point to note, thankyou My Real Name

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I'm sure I've just heard a loud choking sound coming from the South West.:grin::grin:

Yes I heard it too.It nearly deafened me. At first I thought it was thunder, but then I noticed there were words trying to come out.........couldn't quite catch it.....but it sounded very rude.........mucho swearing..... ah who do I know of in Plymouth who swears a lot?:rolleyes::D

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Hi all,

 

TLD -

"Helford. Is it normal practice in your experience for an insurer to scribble out the initial claim value of say £1000 and amend it to say £3000 (on the initial claim form filled in by the person who received the claim initially) when it appears that the payout may become recoverable from a third party please?"

 

Insurers do not always ask for claim forms to be signed initially and they will frequently ask for rough estimates initially. Sometimes they will send a summary of claim to the claimant and ask them to advise if anything material is incorrect. I would not read too much into this manual annotation. Claims frequently increase in magnitude following the initial 'Notification of Loss'. The way that Insurers deal with a loss SHOULD be the same whether there is or is not any chance of a third party recovery.

 

Insurance is a contract of indemnity, that is to say the settlement should put the claimant back into the SAME position that they were prior to the loss. From information that I have seen, I can confirm that the loss was dealt with as a Material Damage (Buildings) claim, not unusual. However have a look at a typical R & SA business policy summary of cover here:-

http://www.rsaconnect.rsagroup.co.uk/shared/ukc01463A_Property_Web.pdf

 

Page 3, Buildings - Even if full reinstatement cover, then the policy will NOT allow betterment.

 

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Hi all,

 

TLD -

"Helford. Is it normal practice in your experience for an insurer to scribble out the initial claim value of say £1000 and amend it to say £3000 (on the initial claim form filled in by the person who received the claim initially) when it appears that the payout may become recoverable from a third party please?"

 

Insurers do not always ask for claim forms to be signed initially and they will frequently ask for rough estimates initially. Sometimes they will send a summary of claim to the claimant and ask them to advise if anything material is incorrect. I would not read too much into this manual annotation. Claims frequently increase in magnitude following the initial 'Notification of Loss'. The way that Insurers deal with a loss SHOULD be the same whether there is or is not any chance of a third party recovery.

 

Insurance is a contract of indemnity, that is to say the settlement should put the claimant back into the SAME position that they were prior to the loss. From information that I have seen, I can confirm that the loss was dealt with as a Material Damage (Buildings) claim, not unusual. However have a look at a typical R & SA business policy summary of cover here:-

http://www.rsaconnect.rsagroup.co.uk/shared/ukc01463A_Property_Web.pdf

 

Page 3, Buildings - Even if full reinstatement cover, then the policy will NOT allow betterment.

 

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Thank you that's very helpful.

 

One other thing puzzles me.

 

If say my car is written off, the insurance company will make an offer based on the value of the vehicle prior to the damage (book value) and the same in my experience applies to everything else which can be insured. A £500 tv is 'in the book' as a £500 tv not a £1500 tv etc. etc.

 

I'm puzzled that upon submission of the claim for £3468, the insurers appear oblivious to the fact that a brand new RIB barrier costs around £1000 exc VAT plus fitting (4 hours tops) and a brand new BFT barrier costs £828 exc VAT plus fitting. Obviously the college being a large public body and the replacement being an insurance job, I would expect a company to charge handsomely for the work but surely to goodness R & SA would have some idea how much a new barrier is, the manufacturer can supply and fit a brand new system themselves for under £2000.

 

Somebody at R & SA appears to have been just a little too happy to authorise a hugely overinflated claim based on the cost of the replacement barrier alone. I'm pretty sure if my Mondeo were written off my insurers would not send me a large enough cheque to enable me to replace it with a Mercedes but here nobody seems to have bothered asking the college why they claimed £3468 for a £1200 barrier.

 

It's also strange how the 'quote' for repair of the 'sheared motor casing' actually came to more than the physical cost of a complete barrier system.

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Indeed, and there may not be an RIB Dallamano barrier but there is a BFT movie :)

BFT - MOOVI

 

 

Love it!!

 

somebody out there is definitely having a laugh at Freds expense (for now).

 

We've got The BFT Movie,Massimo Dallamano, a bunch of cowboys, a fistful of dollars, a celebrity Chef bturner.jpg

 

 

and a Top Gear presenter (cryptic)

 

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I don't understand why PCAD didn't pay the cost of a new barrier out of their own pocket, then bill Fred, take him to court if necessary, in view of the policy excess being greater than the cost of a new barrier?

 

Next question if the claim was for £1500 as originally demanded from Fred, then how could it be normal practice for the insurance company to process the claim if the claim is for half the value of the policy excess?

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:oops:I'm stuck on the cryptic clue:confused:

I only know Jeremy Clarkson's from Top Gear

 

 

Another clue.

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You've lost me too TLD. Cricket references are bad enough, please don't start any more boy's clues.

Any knowledge I possess or advice I proffer is based solely on my experiences in the University of Life. Please make your own assessment of legality, risks & costs before taking any action.

 

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Another clue.

 

Got it LOL.

That clue was very cryptic;)but it came in "andy"I had to do quite a bit of plodding before I got it though.

No-one else could get the answer if they didn't have inside knowledge, so can I have the prize for guessing right please?:lol::lol:

 

Sorry Foolishgirl, that's it now, just call me Sillygirl

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Do we know how much the insurance claim was for? And how much was paid out?

 

We know that £968.60 was paid out and the total amount claimed from Fred was £3468.60 with a £2500 excess

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No-one else could get the answer if they didn't have inside knowledge, so can I have the prize for guessing right please?:lol::lol:

 

Sorry Foolishgirl, that's it now, just call me Sillygirl

 

OK, private joke. Just let me in on it when you eventually let the cat out of the bag & I'll forgive you both. :p

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We know that £968.60 was paid out and the total amount claimed from Fred was £3468.60 with a £2500 excess

That's very interesting. At some point prior to the fateful day that Fred parked in the car park PCAD became VAT registered. Insurance claims to VAT registered entities are paid net of VAT.

 

See section 18 of this document http://owl.pcad.ac.uk/files/documents/corporation/1j.%20%20Finance%20and%20General%20Purpose%20Committee%20Minutes/Finance%20%20General%20Purpose%202006%20-%2014%20February%20Final.pdf

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Also, if they are able to recover VAT, then a Claimant should not seek VAT from the Defendant, as far as I understand from CPR.

 

PRACTICE DIRECTION ABOUT COSTS - Ministry of Justice

 

I have not checked to see if they have, but if they have, then that is not allowed if I understand the above CPR correctly.

 

N.B. This may only apply to costs.

 

Cheers,

BRW

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I think we should put the N244 on hold until we see which way the Court goes with their application to enter an amended POC. Whether in the light of what was agreed between all parties before the Court on 1st July the Court sees fit to allow them to amend their claim in this manner or whether the Court picks up that it is just an abuse of process will be a matter of great interest to us. Lets use it to gauge the approacjh of the Court? To file the N244 tomorow will be pre-empting the Court a little, it's not like they will have nothing to think about in the meantime is it?;)

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TLD, I've just got home from going through your most amazing documents with Fred and they are perfect.I'm lost for words and Fred certainly was.

They've been printed out now and will be ready to go when you see fit.:D

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I think we should put the N244 on hold until we see which way the Court goes with their application to enter an amended POC. Whether in the light of what was agreed between all parties before the Court on 1st July the Court sees fit to allow them to amend their claim in this manner or whether the Court picks up that it is just an abuse of process will be a matter of great interest to us. Lets use it to gauge the approacjh of the Court? To file the N244 tomorow will be pre-empting the Court a little, it's not like they will have nothing to think about in the meantime is it?;)

You know best. I feel sure your instincts are sound.

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They've been printed out now and will be ready to go when you see fit.:D

 

Well bearing in mind that you have already been kind enough to try and help the claimant with this potential problem and in return you received not so much as an acknowledgment in fact nothing but a contemptuous attempt to go back on the agreement between parties: I see no reason why Fred should waste any more time attempting to help them avoid trouble on this matter or indeed the issues surrounding the other matters contained therein. I wouldn't bother writing to them again about the new issues either.

 

Tabs 8, 17 and 24 alone are surely going to cripple their claim, the implications are enormous.

I know it's an awful lot of printing but I really think the Chief Superintendent would be well served if you could make a copy available for him at or even prior to the meeting. This will give him much food for thought and much room for manoevre in respect of expunging the caution.

 

In short they had their chance.... Muffed it!!

 

 

I'd get the bundle in asap.

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I really think the Chief Superintendent would be well served if you could make a copy available for him at or even prior to the meeting. This will give him much food for thought and much room for manoevre in respect of expunging the caution.

Absolutely I agree, will do. The size of the print job is no problem. The SRA too?:D

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