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I have beeen advised to start separate threads for each of my debts.

 

I have been in a DMP administered by the CCCS for multiple debts on credit cards and one loan for 2 years.

Earlier this year I received a letter from RobWay to say they had bought my HFC Marbles debt and would be solely responsible for managing it.

 

I CCA'd RobWay and eventually received a bad copy of an application form. I have failed miserably trying to scan the document as it is barely legible but it is the same as other scanned images I have seen on CAG.

 

I would be grateful for advice on 2 matters.

1. Should I reply to RobWay using a letter from another thread?

 

2. Should I zero the amount on my DMP with CCCS so that no further payments go to RobWay until they produce the correct document?

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I'd do both. If it's not legible it's not valid so tell them so. You will find that CCCS won't want to be involved in what you are doing but if the CCA is that bad I'd not be paying anymore.

 

Thank you twofoot. The document I have received is not a CCA, it is just an application form. I am just worried about stopping paying in case they turn up with the CCA and then decide to take me to court.

Taking me to Court would be a fruitless excercise as I am off sick following my husband's death in June. I find it incredibly difficult to put my thoughts together and make sensible decisions.

 

Before I look for a letter to send could someone tell me if I should send it to RobWay or to HFC? or both?

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The copy must be legible to comply with a CCA request. Write and ask them to send you a legible copy and the account remains in dispute until they do so. You cannot raise other issues with them for now as you cannot read what they have sent. As for the CCCS, they do nothing to help when a creditor starts pressurising for payment - they are financed by the banks. Nor will they be happy to zero an account balance because they don't like what they see as one creditor having preference over the rest and that is how they would see it. They are alright for taking the heat off when things start to get difficult but they are not a long-term solution to clearing debts. I came out of a CCCS plan last November, sent CCA requests to 12 creditors and not one of them had a properly executed agreement.

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Thank you Pinky69.

I did ask my CCCS counsellor if I could try and negotiate F&F with my creditors and she said that was fine and just to tell her who accepted and she would remove them from the creditors list. I suppose the CCCS do not have to know the reason for removing a creditor or am I being silly?

I did not mention CCAing anyone.

I think I will be off work for some months yet so I was wondering about asking my creditors to write off my debts or trying for very small F&F. I could offer in the region of 30% at the moment but my debts are over £40,000. It was nearly double but my husband's debts have obviously been removed from the list.

I am receiving help dealing with his creditors on another thread I have started.

 

I wondered if the creditors cannot produce CCAs if I would be in a good position to offer about 20% F&F?

I know a lot of people on CAG say we should not pay if no CCA is forthcoming but I cannot face a long battle with lots of DCAs over the years.

At the moment, I am still trying to deal with my bereavement and think I need CCCS as a prop....although CAG is fast assuming that role.

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They are unlikley to write it off. You could offer 20% but they will push for more, agreement or not. Be careful with F&F's. Make sure it is watertight in writing and that it's conditional on them removing all reference to the debt on your credit files. They advice is to pay through a third party as proof it is a F&F. I am personally wary of F&F's because DCAs are not above selling the remainder of the debt on so not getting more hassle is not gauranteed.

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Thank you Pinky69.

I have been reading about the difficulties surrounding F&F offers.

The reason I have mentioned it is that my DMP payment (when my husband was alive) was £400+/pm on a combined debt of £70000+ but has now dropped to under £90 so my creditors are going to have to wait many many years to get their money.

My credit record is minus zilch but that doesn't worry me at all. I live in rented accomodation so no property for them to put a charge on.

 

I am on sickness and bereavement benefits now plus a small pension from my husband and my occupational pension.

Even when I get back to work and the benefits stop, I will still only be earning about £100 a month more than I am now but will have increased motoring costs.

 

I know this is just background info.

My first move will be to write and say the document is illegible.

Should I write "This account is in dispute" at the top and say it appears to be an application form and not a CCA?

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Start your letter "I do not acknowledge and debt to your company" at the top. Tell them the application form they sent is not a copy of an agreement and is illegible. You require a true copy of a properly executed, legible agreement together with Terms and Conditions and statements as required by the Consumer Credit Act 1974 and until such times as your request has been fulfilled, the alleged debt is in dispute.

 

Don't acknowledge anything at this stage and if they do not produce an agreement, that gives you all the more bargaining power if you wish to settle.

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I think RobWay are on another planet.

Had a letter today (don't know if it's in response to mine or as a result of latest DMP offer from CCCS) but it's dated 29.9.08 and says they agree to my offer to repay at £**/month. Then it asks me to make the first payment by end of June :confused:

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Rob Way may well send you some bull about the CCA (you don't mention what it is for?) which is the time to envoke their complaints procedure and contact Trading Standards.

 

They WILL back off when this happens (or, at least, that is my experience).

All help is merely my opinion only - please seek legal advice if you need to as I am only qualified in SEN law.

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Just checking it wasn't an overdraft (lots of people tell me that about 4 pages in, which doesn't help :rolleyes:).

 

In which case, they have no excuse.

All help is merely my opinion only - please seek legal advice if you need to as I am only qualified in SEN law.

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I am amazed.

I have had a letter from RobWay in response to my "You have only sent me a copy of an application form" saying:

 

"Please note we have noted the dispute/query you have raised.

We will make the necessary enquiries and let you know the outcome in due course.

In the meantime we will stop all collection activity for this account.

Please let us know if we can assist further"

 

Is this the usual next step in the process or do you think they know they do not have the CCA?

 

Could you advise me whether I should cancel the payments being made by CCCS to this debt?

Should I just zero the amount on my DMP and tell the CCCS that I have come to an arrangement with RobWay?

Or is it better to keep on paying the debt via the DMP in case RobWay get a CCA from HFC?

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They are in default - you can legally stop payments. You are entitled to tell CCCS to stop paying them.

All help is merely my opinion only - please seek legal advice if you need to as I am only qualified in SEN law.

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Thanks tiglet. If (when) I stop paying and they then find the CCA, I can't really go back to the CCCS and ask them to add the ebt back on.

Sorry if I am being a wimp but I am still finding this scarey.

The worry about our debt was the contributory factor at the root of my husband's sudden death 3 months ago and I really hate these people.

Although I am sorting out his estate and having to deal with all that involves (meaning....no money) I don't know where I am finding the strength to now tackle my own debts.

 

I do apologise for checking and double checking everything I do.

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If it gives you any confidence, last November I closed my CCCS account competely because their admin had become a shambles. I had 12 debts on my payment plan and I didn't know who had agreements and who didn't. I haven't paid a penny to a DCA since. Not one of them had a properly executed credit agreement and I only have one that pops its head up now and again to get shot down. The worst case scenario is that IF there is proper credit agreement, you tell them what you can afford to pay then pay it, even if they push for more - you are now in control of this. If you give them a regular payment, they are unlikely to take you to court as no court would ask you to pay more than you can afford and it wouldn't go down well if they wasted a court's time.

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OK. Now feeling brave®.

GP has signed me off for another 2 months :sad: but I really need this time to get my head round my bereavement and the loneliness.

 

I will deal with one creditor at a time just to test the water...so to speak.

 

I am going to contact CCCS and tell them to remove RobWay from my DMP.

Should I just say to CCCS I have come to an arrangement with them?

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Oh..WOW.

Emailed CCCS and asked them to remove RobWay from my DMP. I just said the account is in dispute as no CCA received.

I was shaking like a leaf when I saw the reply in my inbox which said no more payments to go to RobWay from October.

I cannot tell you how proud I am of myself.

 

Thank you so much to everyone on CAG for giving me the courage to do this.

I will tackle the others as soon as I gather myself again.

 

 

I have donated to the cause already.

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Well done you - I still shake when I get letters or phone calls sometimes, and I've been on here nearly two years now!

 

The trick is not to mind that it makes you shake - there's nothing to fear but fear itself. ;)

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All help is merely my opinion only - please seek legal advice if you need to as I am only qualified in SEN law.

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