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Fantastic Andy!!! I feel so empowered!! :)

 

So I just adjust that Draft Order thingy (I bet you are impressed with my grasp of legal jargon ahem! LOL) :Dand print it as it is? Do I not sign it or anything? no not required

 

So in total, I complete the N244 and enclose with it -

 

Draft Order

My Copy of CCA Request

My Copy of S.A.R - (Subject Access Request)

My Copy of CPR 18

Fee Correct i think its £65.00

 

Is there anything else I should be including? Like the Application form they sent me attempting to pass it off as the CCA maybe? No

 

Also, at the time all this was going on I was going through a pretty harrowing miscarriage, with hospital visits every other day etc. That is one of the reasons I didn't take much notice of what was landing in my mail box really. Should I mention that, as it says on the National Debtline to let the court know if you were unwell and couldn't deal with your defence properly? Yes please do it will help in your application sorry to here that BTW Debs

 

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Ok you are all done then now Debs keep your thread updated and if anything transpires just post and i will take a look on how you are doing

 

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Thank you for your kind words, i'm ok now, and life goes on doesn't it.

 

Right then, that's everything done and sitting on my desk ready to be dropped off at the court tomorrow with the (extortinate) fee!! :eek: (Borrowed from my lovely Mother I might add!!)

 

I just want to thank you all for your help with this, I feel like a right plonker (or insert other descriptive expletive LOL) for letting us get into this mess, but I just couldn't see a way out! If this is successful, then I can feel confident about tackling all my other creditors too which is brilliant!

 

Like many people on here, I don't want to get out of paying the debts I have accrued, but the charges and underhanded dealings of these companies/banks are just unbelievable! They cash in on people's misery really, adding more and more charges to already defaulting debts.

 

Right, i'm getting off my soap box now!

 

Thanks again to all of you, you have all truly brought me back from despair and made me able to smile again.

 

Back soon :)

 

Debs x

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Hi guys,

 

Jeeze it's busy onhere, just took me 5 minutes to find my thread!!

 

Ok, update -

 

The Application to set aside is in with the court now, fee paid. (£75 blimmin quid!!) So it's wait and see.

 

However, this morning I have recieved another Notice of Hearing. It says -

TAKE NOTICE that the Re-determination Hearing will now take place on 5th January 2009 at 2.15pm at blah blah blah.

then onthe bottom it says '

Please Note: This will be heard at the same time as the charging order hearing.

Now correct me if i'm wrong, but haven't we already had the Re-determination hearing? THEY didn't bother to turn up and the Judge had kindly already granted a charging order that morning!

 

What are they trying to pull now?

 

Thanks guys

Sapphy x

Marbles Mastercard - HFC - Weightmans - Phoenix Recoveries - CCJ Issued 25.07.08 - Letter sent to court requesting Reconsidertion 04/08/08 - S.A.R - (Subject Access Request)/CCE/CPR18 Sent 19.9.09 - Redermination Hearing 02.10.08. HELP!!

 

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Hi Sapphy,

 

Don't know what the hell is going on at your court. I thought the RD Hearing was the one you went to before when the judge flipped you off.

 

In any event, you are now taking control of events with your N244 Appl'n so who cares about the RDhearing any more ! ;)

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Hey Slick,

 

Good to 'see' you :)

 

To be honest, the more I read, the more it seems like people don't know their left hand from their right!

 

Ah well, "Keep gooin wit'yed dawn!" as they say in my neck of the woods ;)

 

Sapphy x

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Hi guys,

 

Jeeze it's busy onhere, just took me 5 minutes to find my thread!!

 

Ok, update -

 

The Application to set aside is in with the court now, fee paid. (£75 blimmin quid!!) So it's wait and see.

 

However, this morning I have recieved another Notice of Hearing. It says -

TAKE NOTICE that the Re-determination Hearing will now take place on 5th January 2009 at 2.15pm at blah blah blah.

 

then onthe bottom it says '

 

Please Note: This will be heard at the same time as the charging order hearing.

 

Now correct me if i'm wrong, but haven't we already had the Re-determination hearing? THEY didn't bother to turn up and the Judge had kindly already granted a charging order that morning!

 

What are they trying to pull now?

 

Thanks guys

Sapphy x

 

 

It was an interim charging order

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