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    • Thanks FTMDave, I like the cut of your jib - I'll go with that and obtain proof of postage. Encouraging that NPE have never followed through and seem to blowing hot air, let's see where they go after this   Regards
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    • no i meant the email from parcel2go which email address did they send it from and who signed it off (whos name is at the bottom)
    • I understand confusion with this thread.  I tried to keep threads separate because there have been so many angles.    But a team member merged them all.  This is why it's hard to keep track. This forum exists to help little people fight injustice - however big or small.  Im here to try get a decent resolution. Not to give in to the ' big boys'. My "matter' became complicated 'matters' simply because a lender refused to sell a property. What can I say?  I'll try in a nutshell to give an overview: There's a long lease property. I originally bought it short lease with a s.146 on it from original freeholder.  I had no concerns. So lender should have been able to sell a well-maintained lovely long lease property.  The property was great. The issue is not the property.  Economy, sdlt increases, elections, brexit, covid, interest hikes etc didn't help.  The issue is simple - the lender wanted to keep it.   House or Flat? Before repo I offered to clear my loan.  I was a bit short and lender refused.  They said (recorded) they thought the property was worth much more and they were happy to keep accruing interest (in their benefit) until it reached a point where they felt they could repo and still easily quickly sell to get their £s back.  This was a mistake.  The market was (and is) tough.   2y later the lender ceo bid the same sum to buy the property for himself. He'd rejected higher offers in the intervening period whilst accruing interest. Lenders have a legal obligation to sell the property for the best price they can get. If they feel the offer is low they won't sell it, because it's likely the borrower will say the same. I had the property under offer to a fantastic niche buyer but lender rushed to repo and buyer got spooked and walked.  It had taken a long time to find such a lucrative buyer.  A sale which would have resulted in £s and another asset for me. Post repo lender had 1 offer immediately.  But dragged out the process for >1y - allegedly trying to get other offers. But disclosure shows there was only one valid buyer. Again, points as above. Lender appointed receiver (after 4 months) - simply to try acquire the freehold.  He used his powers as receiver to use me, as leaseholder, to serve notice on freeholders.  Legally that failed. Meanwhile lender failed to secure property - and squatters got in (3 times).  And they failed to maintain it.  So freeholders served a dilapidations notice (external) - on me as leaseholder (cc-ed to lender).   (That's how it works legally) Why serve a delapidations notice? If it's in the terms of the lease to maintain the property to a good standard, then serve an S146 notice instead as it's a clear breach of the lease. I don't own the freehold.  But I am a trustee and have to do right by the freeholders.  This is where matters got/ get complicated.  And probably lose most caggers.   Lawyers got involved for the freeholders to firstly void the receiver enfranchisement notice. Secondly, to serve the dilapidations notice.  The lack of maintenance was in breach of lease and had to be served to protect fh asset. Enfranchisement isn't something that can be "voided", it's in the Leasehold Reform Act 1967 that leaseholders have the right to buy the freehold of the property. It's normal, whether it is a "normal" leaseholder or a repossession with a leasehold house, to claim this right of enfranchisement and sell the property with said rights attached and the purchase price of the freehold included in the final completion price. That's likely what the mortgage provider wished to do. The lender did no repairs. They said a buyer would undertake them. Which was probably correct. If they had sold. After 1y lender finally agreed to sell to the 1st offeror and contracts went with lawyers.  Within 1 month lender reneged.  Lender tried to suggest buyer walked. Evidence shows he/ his lawyers continued trying to exchange (cash) for 4 months.  Evidence shows lender and receiver strategy had been to renege and for ceo to take control.   I still think that's their plan. Redact and scan said evidence up for others to look at? Lender then stupidly chose to pretty much bulldoze the property.  Other stuff was going on in the background. After repo I was in touch by phone and email and lender knew post got to me.   Despite this, after about 10 months (before and then during covid), they deliberately sent SDs and eventually a B petition to an incorrect address and an obscure small court.  They never served me properly.  (In hindsight I understand they hoped to get a backdoor B - so they could keep the property that way.)  Eventually the random court told them to email me by way of service.  At this point their ruse to make me B failed.  I got a lawyer (friend paid). The B petition was struck out. They’d failed to include the property as an asset. They were in breach of insolvency rules. So this is dealt with then. Simultaneously the receiver again appointed lawyers to act on my behalf as leaseholder. This time to serve notice on the freeholders for a lease extension.  He had hoped to try and vary the strict lease. Evidence shows the already long length of lease wasn't an issue.  The lender obviously hoped to get round their lack of permission to do works (which they were already doing) by hoping to remove the strict clauses that prevent leaseholder doing alterations.  You wouldn't vary a lease through a lease extension. You'd need a Deed of Variation for that. This may be done at the same time but the lease has already been extended once and that's all they have a right to. The extension created a new legal angle for me to deal with.  I had to act as trustee for freeholders against me as leaseholder/ the receiver.  Inconsistencies and incompetence by receiver lawyers dragged this out 3y.  It still isn't properly resolved. The lease has already been extended once so they have no right to another extension. It seems pretty easy to just get the lawyer to say no and stick by those terms as the law is on your side there. Meanwhile - going back to the the works the lender undertook. The works were consciously in breach of lease.  The lender hadn't remedied the breaches listed in the dilapidations notice.  They destroyed the property.  The trustees compiled all evidence.  The freeholders lawyers then served a forfeiture notice. This notice started a different legal battle. I was acting for the freeholders against what the lender had done on my behalf as leaseholder.  This legal battle took 3y to resolve. Again, order them to revert it as they didn't have permission to do the works, or else serve an S146 notice for breach of the lease. The simple exit would have been for lender to sell. A simple agreement to remedy the breaches and recompense the freeholders in compensation - and there's have been clean title to sell.  That option was proposed to them.   This happened by way of mediation for all parties 2y ago.  A resolution option was put forward and in principle agreed.  But immediately after the lender lawyers failed to engage.  A hard lesson to learn - mediation cannot be referred to in court. It's considered w/o prejudice. The steps they took have made no difference to their ability to sell the property.  Almost 3y since they finished works they still haven't sold. ** ** I followed up some leads myself.  A qualified cash buyer offered me a substantial sum.  The lender and receiver both refused it.   I found another offer in disclosure.  6 months later someone had apparently offered a substantial sum via an agent.  The receiver again rejected it.  The problem of course was that the agent had inflated the market price to get the business. But no-one was or is ever going to offer their list price.  Yet the receiver wanted/wants to hold out for the list price.  Which means 1y later not only has it not sold - disclosure shows few viewings and zero interest.  It's transparently over-priced.  And tarnished. For those asking why I don't give up - I couldn't/ can't.  Firstly I have fiduciary duties as a trustee. Secondly, legal advice indicates I (as leaseholder) could succeed with a large compensation claim v the lender.  Also - I started a claim v my old lawyer and the firm immediately reimbursed some £s. That was encouraging.  And a sign to continue.  So I'm going for compensation.  I had finance in place (via friend) to do a deal and take the property back off the lender - and that lawyer messed up bad.   He should have done a deal.  Instead further years have been wasted.   Maybe I only get back my lost savings - but that will be a result.   If I can add some kind of complaint/ claim v the receiver's conscious impropriety I will do so.   I have been left with nothing - so fighting for something is worth it. The lender wants to talk re a form of settlement.  Similar to my proposal 2y ago.  I have a pretty clear idea of what that means to me.  This is exactly why I do not give up.  And why I continue to ask for snippets of advice/ pointers on cag.  
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Received second card from these today previous one in December.

 

I ignored first one as it seemed dodgy and when searched on this site found out what it was. unfortunately was out and partner rang back and left message .not received any phone calls as yet.

 

In between these cards have had 3 letters from turbull their solicitors threatening with a charging order on property.

 

please advice next course of action.

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Credit card default from 2 years ago, changed address company would not accept new address as i had chopped up card as not to use,unable to make payments.Could not change address without card details.

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Broken Arrow,

 

I would first ring the National Debt line, or Payplan, who can also help mediate agreements for you.

 

Secondly, Try not to let the HFO letter from their 'solicitor's worry you.

 

Firstly they have to provide you with all relavent documents, such as CAR and a deed of assignement.

 

HFO are horrible, whatever you do don't deal with them on the phone unless you can record the conversations.

 

They will write threatening with menaces and intimidation - don't cave in.

 

Read the debt collection library on dealing with debt collectors.

 

If they choose to take you to court, they of course will have all this information to hand... so it shouldn't be too much trouble to give it over when requested now should it? :D

 

Also, report this action with the First logistics to :

 

Edward Thevaraj [email protected]

 

Make an official complaint - it will only reinforce the OFT's case if and when they seek to take legal action against them.

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thanx for info so far will inform OFT regarding firstdirect cards

 

not had any calls as yet from HFO/firstdirect/turnbull but not worried as i wont be bullied.

 

The only way I will pay any money to these people is if they take me to court and they win.

 

Would be prepared to pay off debt with original creditor at the amount at the time of default £2000 pound added in costs and interest as of last letter of Turnbull. (The original amount £4500 when they would not accept any payments and closed my internet account which I always used to pay my bill).

 

I did not think they could get a charging order without CCJ ing me first as far as I am aware no CCJ.

 

Was never informed by Morgan Stanley that they had sold the debt but then they would never accept my new address( informed them 3 times 2 verbal over phone 1 letter which was last correspondence)

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Have today recieved court claim form from HFO/ Turnbulls for Northampton CC.On the claim form it states I had been issued with Deed of assignment which I have not.please advise on action to be taken.

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If i have not recieved deed of asignment can they still take this to court.

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Hi there

 

I think you may be confusing the Deed of Assignment with a Notice of Assignment.

 

there is no legal requirement for them to send you the deed as it would most likely contain privileged information, however they must , for the assignment to be legally valid, send you a notice of assignment and this must be served in the correct manner

 

i think we need a little more information on this case to see if there are any flaws within their case

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Apologies for my legal ignorance, reading the claim form again it states it as a letter of assignment, which i have never received.

HFO bought debt off Morgan stanley last year.

Morgan stanley would not take any payments after i moved house 2 years ago as i could not change my address .

i was making payments upto this point via internet acount but as i had destroyed card so not to use.To change details on line needed info off card I phoned them to give same info but same answer told to inform them in writing which I did.Did not here from them again they closed internet account so defaulted on payments.started to recieve cards through door of Firstdiect logistics saying they had a delivery for me.then recieved letters off their solicitors staing they would apply for charging order on property.

recieved court claim form today.

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Ah ok, well the fact is that they would need to prove service of the notice of assignment for it to be valid and that would be in the form of proof of posting, they would not however have needed to send it via recorded delivery

 

i hope this helps

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I have now filed acknowledgment of service, how long before i have to submit my defence.

I have requested information they hold on me in order to file a defence do I need to send a seperate request for copy of the Credit agreement.

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I have now filed acknowledgment of service, how long before i have to submit my defence.

I have requested information they hold on me in order to file a defence do I need to send a seperate request for copy of the Credit agreement.

 

Hi BA

 

As the claim has been issued from the Northampton bulk centre you have 5+14 days from the date of issue to acknowledege the claim, which you have already done. This then means you have 5+28 days from the date of issue to submit your defence.

 

You can also phone the court and ask them to confirm the date for you.

 

Cheers

Rob

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Have today finally recieved a notice of assignment today from Morgan Stanley informing me they have sold the debt to HFO from May last year.

very suspicous as i believe the letter is from HFO as postcode on envelope SW19 same as them and letter signed Morgan Stanley bank international limited.

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oh dear, thats not very good is it

 

(4) Any notice required or authorised by this Act to be served shall also be sufficiently served, if it is sent by post in a registered letter addressed to the lessee, lessor, mortgagee, mortgagor, or other person to be served, by name, at the aforesaid place of abode or business, office, or counting-house, and if that letter is not returned [F1 by the postal operator (within the meaning of the Postal Services Act 2000) concerned] undelivered; and that service shall be deemed to be made at the time at which the registered letter would in the ordinary course be delivered

 

 

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Am i right in saying that they should have issued notice before they started court proceedings and can any of this be used in my defence.

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You are right - and this is VERY important.

 

Can you type up what they actually put in the Particualrs of Claim box on the blue form that you got from the court. This will help people (pt2537 especially) to help with doing a defence for you if you need some help

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Be careful with this lot. If it moves towards court, you'll probably receive a (backdated) letter, probably never actually sent and certainly not received by you, assigning the debt from HFO Capital to HFO Services - this is their way of getting around locus standii issues, because the owner of the debt is registered in the Cayman Islands. They are very, very sneaky. Keep all envelopes etc, and log everything!

 

Look forward to posting my own experiences shortly...

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The Claimant HFO Capital Limited is a debt purchase company.

The Claim is for monies due under a regulated interest bearing credit agreement.The assignee HFO Capital Limited purchased the defendants account and all rights and obligations attaching therto from the original lender on **/**/****.

The original lender was Morgan stanley/Goldf

a letter of assignment has been provided to the defendant previously.

the claiment also claims interest theron pusuant toS.69 of the county court act 1984 at the rate of 8.00% up to the date of of ( their typo not mine) judgement or earlier payment in full at the rate of 1.23 per day.

Contractual interest was accruing on this debt prior to issue and will continue to acrue at the rate of 12% after judgment.

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